NC Gov on the wrong side of history......

[Rhondazvous]

Transgender includes everyone who identifies with a different gender to the one assigned at birth, so yes it includes people who have not had SRS. "Transsexual" is sometimes used to describe people who have already had SRS, but "transgender" still applies to them.

However, you can't necessarily tell who has had SRS or not just by looking at them. Most of the secondary sex characterstic (breasts and hips in transwomen, facial and body hair in transmen) are brought on by hormone treatments, not SRS. You can have transgender people who look VERY passable (physically look like the gender they identify as perfectly) who still have their birth genitals.

That's why the "birth genitals" argument for bathroom segregation gets fuzzy and doesn't make sense. You can have transgender men who, with clothes on, you'd never guess wasn't born a man, but still has a vagina. Same for transwomen. Laws like this are suggesting those people should still be made to go into the bathroom based on their genitals, you'd literally have a straight-up woman (from outside appearance anyway) going into mens' bathrooms, and vice versa.

That was a clear and intelligent explanation. Thanks.

It's all quite disingenuous. If they're really concerned about protecting children. why not keep catholic priests out of the bathroom?

I remember when my uncle was in high school, he didn't want to join the football team because he felt uncomfortable undressing in front of guys. I'm glad science has come a long way in helping us understand this mind/body disconnect. But as long as there are theists there will be idiots.