RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist
April 12, 2011 at 2:11 pm
(This post was last modified: April 12, 2011 at 2:40 pm by reverendjeremiah.)
(April 12, 2011 at 3:20 am)Carnavon Wrote: Yes indeed, it is not irrefutable evidence. My question is only this:" If an honest man has all this information available, what conclusion would he come to?An honest man may come to any conclusion, be it atheism or Hinduism or Islam.
This is not to suggest that all questions are answered. There is the problem of suffering. There I can only speak for myself in that the part of my life where I was supposed to have the worst "suffering" (diagnosed and treated for cancer) was indeed the best part of my life - and not because I held onto an idea that will help me through that (like positive thinking or similar) but it just happened. There is a little poem about "footsteps in the sand", which I found to be true.
Regards
An honest and EDUCATED man would look at all of the evidence science has gathered and come to the conclusion that Gods, souls, and religion are not needed...and are more than likely fictional.
Look at your posts Carnavon, swelling your chest up and claiming you are justified because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Its nothing to be proud of.
Zenith Wrote:As about the afterlife, I do consider the fact that if the muslims are right, then I will go to hell of Allah, because I willfully reject Islam. As about the ancient greek gods, I don't think they had a "hell" for the unbelievers, so I could have not used them as a hellish example.They had many different kinds of afterlives, and some even believed in reincarnation on top of it. For the most part normal mortals went to Hades. Hades was not "satan" back then. He was the judge of the mortals. Those who did specific things or kindnesses and such were allowed to enter Elysium. Those who did not stayed in the realm of Hades, or were eaten by Cerebus, or Orcus, or Thanatos (depending on what Helenic sect you were). If you were a member of the Orphic mysteries, or one of the many mystery cults they had back then (eventually Christianity sprouted as a greek/hebrew inspired mystery cult) you would become "one" or live forever in the after life with your god (who was usually killed, born again, raised from the dead..the mystery cults get pretty deep).
So when I say "Greek religion", that in and of it self are several beliefs and mysteries involved in it. Of which most people know NOTHING of, and therefore put themselves in a dire situation with the 12 gods of Olympus for ignoring them. Quite frankly the popular religions of today are dwarfed by the entire Helenistic pantheon, and I dont even know all of it, after years of study.
Popular ones of THOSE days I can pull from my memory:
Bachus/ Dionysos
Apollonius of Tyana (mortal worshipped as the son of god)
Demeter/Persephone/Hades
Pythagoras (mortal who was worshipped as the son of god)