We should probably listen to what Huggy says he does and does not believe. After all, we spend a lot of time correcting Christians (etc) who try to tell us what we "really" believe.
Though I realize Huggy has expressed... let's call it "extreme"... discontent with the Theory of Evolution, I know a great many Christians who think that the Garden of Eden is a metaphor which represents the pre-Agricultural Revolution earth, when the Hunter-Gatherer humans were more like our animal ancestors, living according to the providence of God through nature, and that the act of defiance (knowing/determining for ourselves what was good and evil) was to break away from the Laws of Nature and Nature's God (as our Founders put it) and live "by the sweat of our own brow", forever having to till the soil, and so on. They see Creation as an ongoing act, and acknowledge that while 13.77 billion years is a looooong time to us, it's nothing to a being that exists outside of Space-Time.
I'm not sure to what degree Huggy accepts the metaphorical nature of all creation mythologies, or how he feels about the ongoing act of Creation (rather than an instant, magical one), but I do know that when he says "I do not believe that", it's fucked up for an atheist to tell him what he "really" believes.
Seriously guys, don't do that.
Though I realize Huggy has expressed... let's call it "extreme"... discontent with the Theory of Evolution, I know a great many Christians who think that the Garden of Eden is a metaphor which represents the pre-Agricultural Revolution earth, when the Hunter-Gatherer humans were more like our animal ancestors, living according to the providence of God through nature, and that the act of defiance (knowing/determining for ourselves what was good and evil) was to break away from the Laws of Nature and Nature's God (as our Founders put it) and live "by the sweat of our own brow", forever having to till the soil, and so on. They see Creation as an ongoing act, and acknowledge that while 13.77 billion years is a looooong time to us, it's nothing to a being that exists outside of Space-Time.
I'm not sure to what degree Huggy accepts the metaphorical nature of all creation mythologies, or how he feels about the ongoing act of Creation (rather than an instant, magical one), but I do know that when he says "I do not believe that", it's fucked up for an atheist to tell him what he "really" believes.
Seriously guys, don't do that.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
