RE: Dr. Craig is a liar.
May 16, 2016 at 10:39 am
(This post was last modified: May 16, 2016 at 10:47 am by The Reality Salesman01.)
To your first point Huffy. I know that. We all do. And that's why we don't agree. I know you don't require evidence for your beliefs and that you will form your entire life around a core belief without the slightest hesitatation...
It is my experience however, that people do not believe things because it makes them feel good (at least not consciously), you believe things that you think are true. For example:
Suppose I told you that if you responded to this post via your laptop, as soon as you click "post reply", your laptop will explode and you will be killed.
1) If you believed me, you certainly would not respond from your laptop unless suicide was your goal.
2) If you believed I was wrong, you'd respond as usual without the slightest hesitation.
3) If you were curious, and you found what I said to be plausible, you would probably have your computer checked out and look closer before forming a belief that will influence your actions.
4) The only 4th option is if you didn't have a laptop, and whether or not what I said was true wouldn't matter and you may not form a belief about it either way. You're not forming a belief wouldn't change anything about how much you know about this exploding laptop, simply put, you don't know and you don't really care. You don't have any belief one way or another.
If you didn't want to die, you couldn't both believe me because you want to and do it anyway. If you form a belief, you either believe something to be true, or you don't. That's how that works.
With regards to abiogenesis, I'm in that 4th position.
Your second statement.
Hopefully, by now it is clear that what you interpret as ambiguity is actually humility and self awareness of ones own ignorance. It is really baffling to me that some people are unable to see past such black and white thinking. You seem to be insisting that epistemology is a dichotomy, where one either believes A to be true, or believes A to be wrong. I'm telling you that I simply do not know. if you presented me with two possibilities, I might find one more plausible than the other, but that wouldn't mean I'm convinced that one is true, nor does it denote any degree of belief. Belief is not a choice, it's just what happens when you've been convinced by something. You and I just have different criteria that we find to be convincing and as you said above, facts and evidence aren't important to you, so we're kind of far apart here, bud.
It is my experience however, that people do not believe things because it makes them feel good (at least not consciously), you believe things that you think are true. For example:
Suppose I told you that if you responded to this post via your laptop, as soon as you click "post reply", your laptop will explode and you will be killed.
1) If you believed me, you certainly would not respond from your laptop unless suicide was your goal.
2) If you believed I was wrong, you'd respond as usual without the slightest hesitation.
3) If you were curious, and you found what I said to be plausible, you would probably have your computer checked out and look closer before forming a belief that will influence your actions.
4) The only 4th option is if you didn't have a laptop, and whether or not what I said was true wouldn't matter and you may not form a belief about it either way. You're not forming a belief wouldn't change anything about how much you know about this exploding laptop, simply put, you don't know and you don't really care. You don't have any belief one way or another.
If you didn't want to die, you couldn't both believe me because you want to and do it anyway. If you form a belief, you either believe something to be true, or you don't. That's how that works.
With regards to abiogenesis, I'm in that 4th position.
Your second statement.
Hopefully, by now it is clear that what you interpret as ambiguity is actually humility and self awareness of ones own ignorance. It is really baffling to me that some people are unable to see past such black and white thinking. You seem to be insisting that epistemology is a dichotomy, where one either believes A to be true, or believes A to be wrong. I'm telling you that I simply do not know. if you presented me with two possibilities, I might find one more plausible than the other, but that wouldn't mean I'm convinced that one is true, nor does it denote any degree of belief. Belief is not a choice, it's just what happens when you've been convinced by something. You and I just have different criteria that we find to be convincing and as you said above, facts and evidence aren't important to you, so we're kind of far apart here, bud.
