Heaven seems awful 2 me-"Theist laughs at loudly & with great cruelty"

[Godscreated]

Okay I'll tell you, you were never saved, you were going through the motions, I have an opinion on why but I'm not going to express it at this time. You didn't read the Bible the wrong way, and you probably prayed as you were taught, but neither of those were effective because you weren't saved, Jesus only sends the Holy Spirit to convict the lost and then to teach those who are saved. Now you tell me why have I heard from the Holy Spirit on many occasions and received answers from Him that could not possibly come from myself or anyone else because I didn't know the answer nor those I asked?


I never said they were not hearing the Holy Spirit, I told 'rob' I think it was him, that Christians to often go into the scriptures with preconceived ideas and let that override what the Holy Spirit is teaching or the adopt part of what the Holy Spirit says into their preconceived ideas

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 just to make a stronger case for themselves. I've done it before and was shown I was wrong and changed my belief because it was the right thing to do. Serving God is not about the self, unfortunately many Christians can't see this. The two underlined words above in your post are by me and they are against who God is, so it's not possible for the Holy Spirit to do such things, this is taught many places in scripture and if you have most of the Bible memorized then you know this. I wish I had that good of a memory, I'm being honest about this statement.

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 I have told people about some conversations I've had on here and I'm sure you have also. Be sure of this this conversation want go any further than this forum. I'm not judging you you need to get over that little thing, I'm telling you what the Bible says. I'm not going to say you're stupid but I will say the evil one has deluded you, he found that your anger was the perfect place to get at you. I do not know why you're so angry at me, other Christians and God, I have an idea, something I've seen before. I will say this and let it go at that and I mean no disrespect towards you, God still loves you.
Have a good weekend and I'll read your post on Monday if you decide to answer.

GC

"you were never saved"  Ah.  You think that "once saved, always saved" means that it's not possible for any Atheist to ever have been saved.  Which is the primary reason you are here.  You are convinced that all of us ex-Christians missed the boat somehow.  You are incapable of letting yourself believe, for a moment, that a True Christian could ever reject Christ.

No I do not believe that, I believe if one who proclaims to have been saved and then becomes an atheist was never saved. If one is truly saved they have a real relationship with Christ and in that they could never deny He exists, they could reject Him but never deny His existence. As far as missing the boat, the churches are full of people who missed the boat, they just haven't realized it yet. Most Christians I know believe they worship with some who believe they are saved but are not. It's not that we judge them it's we see nothing in them that shows they are Christians, the Bible gives tells us what a Christian should be like. Paul said that we would see false teachers (preachers) in the church, so tell me if a preacher can be a false Christian then why not others?
     

You have convinced yourself that a Spirit is giving you direction, and nothing I say will change that opinion.  Fine.  Nothing you say will ever convince me that the Holy Spirit exists.  
But if the message that the Holy Spirit is teaching you can be over-ridden by any means, then the spirit really SUCKS at communication.

I know for a fact the Holy Spirit is real, I didn't have to convince myself, God did that as He promised He would once I was saved. The Holy Spirit's lessons to me aren't overridden for long, He convinces me of the truth through scripture and I accept it as it should be taken, the truth. People have free choice to decide what they want, whether it's the truth or not, the Holy Spirit shows us the truth and some misuse it but, that doesn't make His truth any less true, it does make those who misuse it foolish. 

I'm not angry at god. That seems as silly to me as saying that I'm angry at the tooth fairy.  Or sparkly vampires, or Santa Claus.  It's absurd.  I am furious at religion though, for the damage it has done to me and my family and friends.  And I'm no fan of people who disrespect my ability to study and choose my beliefs for myself, who tell me to my face that I'm deluded and misguided and need their help.  People who have the unmitigated gall to tell me that a child, crying to god and Jesus each day and night of her life, was rejected by God. Well that poor little kid.  It took her a long time to realize that nobody was listening.  She's free now, and feels a lot better.

Well the Christian religion is absolutely about God so you can't be made at one without being made at the other. Since I do not know what you mean by religion damaging you, your family and friends it's hard for me to address. I can say I have a friend who sees his beliefs above all other denominations and lately he's used it in a way that has damaged our relationship but, not my relationship with God, I nor God will allow that to happen because of my love for Him. I still love my friend and wouldn't abandon him but, I'm still upset with him. 

We will just have to agree to disagree.  I have no need of your preaching.

 I haven't been trying to preach to you, it's actually not allowed on this forum, maybe some day you'll have a change of heart, because you shouldn't let people come between you and God.

GC