(May 18, 2016 at 10:42 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:(May 18, 2016 at 10:30 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Feel free to present proof.
Is this your new gig, now? Just saying "prove it" every time we mention something not in the evangelical version of events?
Is this your new gig, now? Just saying "prove it" every time we mention something not in the evangelical version of events?[/quote]
Actually, that would be the atheist motto, you're just not used to being on the receiving side of it.
(May 18, 2016 at 10:42 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Look at *any* scholarly articles on the differences between the Synoptic gospels and the later-written Gospel of John.
Hell, you don't even need to do that. Just make a chart (some Bibles already have them, conveniently laid out for you) listing the miracles attested to be performed by Jesus, and SEE FOR YOURSELF that they increase with time, with the earliest-written gospel (Mark) containing few, while the last-written gospel (John) containing more than the others combined, and of much higher magnitude.
The VERY earliest document, Q, which is hypothetical but generally accepted by religious scholars as being a thing that existed, based on comparisons between the two earliest gospels, shows that there were no claims of magic that were identically-worded sharing between the two, meaning that Q was basically a collections of sayings (like the Sermon on the Mount) by Yeshua the rabbi. Others have noted that the earliest writings (Paul and James) we have make no mention of him being God Incarnate, and the latter also refers to the sayings that are common with the hypothetical Q. In other words, it's apparent that people added to the legend, as the years went by.
It is obvious to anyone who doesn't have their head up their "I'd rather believe this great story so I'm going to stop thinking about it unless it's already in the story" asses.
FFS, man... you can lead a horse to water...
As I've stated before, what scholars "believe" is irrelevant, what determines if Jesus's statement of "He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also" is true or not, is if anyone is actually doing the same works, agree?
