(May 18, 2016 at 11:07 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Actually, that would be the atheist motto, you're just not used to being on the receiving side of it.
As I've stated before, what scholars "believe" is irrelevant, what determines if Jesus's statement of "He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also" is true or not, is if anyone is actually doing the same works, agree?
I'm always accustomed to being on the receiving side of it. It's how we live our lives. What I'm not accustomed to is having someone say it when they're willing to ignore the scholarly consensus on anything they'd prefer to ignore, knowing they won't accept research and won't question why their holy book says what it now says, as if it was the result of God giving dictation to His Divine Secretary.
And no, I don't agree. I'm not even sure exactly what you mean. I'm assuming you refer to magical powers supposedly granted by Jesus to followers who believe, as claimed in the holy books... except that such things are always debunked when put to the actual test by scientific means.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
