(May 18, 2016 at 4:49 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(May 18, 2016 at 4:11 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Other than that our memories are fallible, that our "knowledge" can contradict available evidence in relatively normal and common situations, and the ways we handle those situations when they inevitably arise? Nothing. That you saw where this could lead and mounted a defense of a false memory..that only existed in a thought experiment about a picture of a pig, however, might be demonstration of a great deal more.
I see... is thinking through what you proposed a problem? If I was suppose to start with the assumption that the memory was false, then doesn't that negate the point of you demonstrating it through your story?
Is this why atheist always say that there is no evidence for God.... They just forget it?
I can't believe you're not being tongue-in-cheek at this point, man.
He didn't say to start with the assumption that memory is false. He said that memories are fallible and MAY be false, such that when direct evidence contradicts what we think we remember, we should be very careful about saying, "Damn the facts... I KNOW!"
He's trying to explain to you about what I wrote, above, in which I pointed out just one of the ways in which our recollections of details (and even whole stories) can be falsely taken in as True Stories™ in our brain's memory centers.
A classic example is the guy who gets drunk and drives out into the desert to get hypothermic and dehydrated, claims he DEFINITELY saw aliens come down and take him up into his ship, run experiments on him, and then deposit him back in his Chevy pickup in time for morning. He will swear up and down that it's what he saw, but none of us consider it good evidence for alien abductions because we're aware of the many factors that can lead to such a story... or "memory", and it's significantly more likely that he's either full of shit or falsely remembering or plain old hallucinating when he tells that story than it is to say "Well, that means aliens really are coming to probe our buttholes!!"
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
