RE: No one is an atheist
April 14, 2011 at 2:34 am
(This post was last modified: April 14, 2011 at 2:38 am by Welsh cake.)
I do so hope this is not another theist "hit-and-run" thread as Min has pointed out, we've had too many of them before. I'll respond with the cautious optimism you're not a troll and you'll participate in further discussion, if possible.
When talking in cultural, social, and religious context, the label "Atheist" applies objectively to anyone who has an absence of belief in gods, therefore I use that label to identify myself as an atheist. Ta-dah.
(April 14, 2011 at 12:24 am)bliss Wrote: If atheism is simply a non-belief in God, then no one is an atheist. I don't mean that "everyone believes in God, they just don't know it." I mean that atheism is an attribute of an ideology, but it isn't an identity in itself.Atheism is not an ideology in any sense of the word so I think you need to double-check what the actual current working definition of atheism is. Atheism within itself does not qualify as an identity or worldview as such, but imagine if you will, instead of deities millions believed in unicorns to be real and were by their definition "Unicornists", that's fine however you will still need a label for those who don't believe unicorns exists, "A-unicornists" for argument's sake.
When talking in cultural, social, and religious context, the label "Atheist" applies objectively to anyone who has an absence of belief in gods, therefore I use that label to identify myself as an atheist. Ta-dah.
Quote:I may be the one who believes in God, but I am not the only one who believes. All people believe.So what? Your appeal to common belief fallacy in no way carries any weight in determining whether your beliefs are justified. You're making a broad-based erroneous assertion here even if you weren't being fallacious, not all people believe in god or gods, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place now would we?
Quote:Making inferences about reality is a necessary part of survival for humans. Atheism is just a general term for belief systems not based upon God.Atheism is not a belief system.
Quote:IMO, if you can't admit that you have your own beliefs, you are a coward.You've given cowardice as the only option while ruling out all the other possible reasons why people cannot identity their beliefs or non-beliefs in any given subject. Some are simply undecided, or indeterminate converting from one set of beliefs to another, I know a few who are intellectually dishonest, and others do not know what they believe is true.
Quote:To just call yourself an atheist without saying what you do believe in a debate is to have the discussion drowned in irrationality.Don't be absurd, if we're having a discussion about gods, do I honestly have to tell you I don't think the Loch Ness Monster exists as well? If both of us had to identify everything we do believe in before we could start any debate we'd be here all day.
Quote:This is mostly what I've seen so far on this forum. Most of you don't have a formulated idea on anything, you just hate. It's the same kind of prejudice that many religious people function under.Of the two of us right now, your tone is far more arrogant and venomous. You've only had two posts to date and claim to know us but from what I've seen so far you display a lack of critical thinking and have poor verbal reasoning skills. You need to work that on.