RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist
April 14, 2011 at 3:22 am
(This post was last modified: April 14, 2011 at 4:06 am by Carnavon.)
(April 13, 2011 at 3:05 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote:The point is basically that it is still a theory and no living organism has been successfully "created" from non-living matter.(April 12, 2011 at 1:19 pm)Carnavon Wrote: Yes, they have found what lifeless particles are present, yet unable to create a living organism using only those particles. It should be easy, should it not be? Just four little elements and the big wigs are unable to create a living organism despite the best technology and untold experiments? (They have to rely on existing living organisms)
I suggest you look up "abiogenesis" to see just how wrong you are. There have been many successful lab results of making basic chemicals of life from basic atoms, and not just the Miller-Urey experiment either.
But even if they were able to do that, it means ziltsh. The very laws and conditions that would make it possible was not self-created but obeys certain rules.
Consider for a moment that you are implying that things "self-assemble" into very complex units - the likelihood being much smaller than what is normally regarded as no possibility.
You thus prefer to believe what is impossible rather than believe in a Creator. And this is often referred to as a sign of intelligence.
(April 13, 2011 at 5:09 pm)bozo Wrote: As an atheist I do not see death as a problem. Death is inevitable.You are correct. It is a choice whether you accept it or reject it. Does it mean that you would prefer to rather ignore the possibility that you will eventually have to take responsibility for your choices and actions?
Once it arrives that's it, end of.
I much prefer that belief to a belief in either heaven or hell, or whatever.
I fear living to an age when I am merely existing ( and probably being a real pain to others ) as more of a problem.
As far as being a pain is concerned. Do you regard looking after people you love as a pain - whatever their condition? I bet you don't.
(April 13, 2011 at 4:21 am)lilphil1989 Wrote: How do you know? You haven't defined any of the physcial characteristics of a soul.If there was any "physical" characteristics such a electromagnetic fields, there would be no discussion, yes? I have not suggested that a soul may be physically proven. Can you prove the absence?
Quote:Easy?!Excellent! You prove that even with the latest technologies and despite the fact that experiments are targeted towards very specific outcomes (and not non-directional), there is still no success (Venter still had to rely on existing living material)
Do you know how difficult it is to manipulate single atoms?
Do you have any idea how difficult it is to build a single molecule from single atoms, especially when those molecules are 10s or even 100s of nanometres in size?
What on Earth gave you the idea that it should be easy?
Quote:But I'll tell you on thing of which I'm fairly sure: if the rate of the expansion of our scientific knowledge and technological capabilities continues unabated, there will come a time when we can build living cells. And your god of the gaps will be forced into a still deeper recess.Yep, it is a belief or rather should I say wish on your part. You suggest that I believe in God because I cannot explain things and hence attribute it to God? No, to the contrary, the fantastic creation, the very finely tuned universe, the dependability of laws of nature etc convinces me on an intellectual level of the existence of God. On a spiritual level, He has changed my life and removed the fear of death altogether.
In oppopsition to this, I see lies associated with "discoveries" that is supposed to discredit the Bible, assumptions and theories (despite knowledge that the "facts" presented are false) presented as the "truth". And you believe in that? It is a decision to disbelieve, it seems to me, irrespective of the facts.
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