Why is Allah holding Iblis to a different standard than the other Jinn?

[ReptilianPeon]

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I'm also wondering if Iblis is a Jinn or not. The Quran seems confused on this.

Quran 18:50 says that Ibilis is a Jinn: Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers!

Or is Quran 2:34, which says Iblis is an angel right?

And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.

Quran 15:30 - 31 also claims Iblis is an angel: So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together: (30) Not so Iblis: he refused to be among those who prostrated themselves.(31)


I can't find where it says other Jinn refused to bow to Adam. If such an Iyaht is in the Quran then that creates more problems than it solves. Here are a few that I can see:

1. Why are the other Jinn not banished?
2. All Jiinn are make of this "smokeless fire" stuff so why is Iblis any different?
3. Again, why is Allah hold Iblis to a different standard to the other Jiinn (or angels)?
4. And, while we're at it, how can something be made from fire when fire is a chemical reaction taking place?
5. Smokeless fire is impossible?
6. And let's not forget the angels, of which Iblis may or not have been one of. How can something be made of only photons?

Quran 7:11 - 12 seems to say that Iblis is an Angel made of fire even though it's the Jinn who are made of fire, not the angels: It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who prostrate. (10) (Allah) said: "What prevented thee from prostrating when I commanded thee?" He said: "I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay."

And don't the Iyaht saying Iblis refused to bow to Adam contradict Qutan 16:50 - 51 which say angels have no free will:
And to Allah doth obeisance all that is in the heavens and on earth, whether moving (living) creatures or the angels: for none are arrogant (before their Lord). (49) They all revere their Lord, high above them, and they do all that they are commanded. (50)

Why is the Quran so confusing?

What u have to understand is that just as man was created from dust (earth),angels are created from light and jinn are created from fire. Men and jinn were created by God with free-will where angels were not. Just as a human being can't naturally fly or breath underwater, angels CANNOT disobey God. It is not encoded into their so to say DNA. So because angels do not have free will the jinn were the superior creation of God at the time. Iblis was also a believing good jinn who as God's greatest creation was placed above the angels in stature and amongst them in Paradise. When God told the angels He was going to create man He sent them down to Earth to grab piles of dirt. Black dirt and white dirt, and red dirt and brown dirt and yellow dirt (which is why we all come in different colors). The dirt was mixed with water to make it a sticky mud or clay and moulded into a statue of Adam pbuh. God brought him to life and told all of the beings in Paradise to prostrate in honor to His greatest creation mankind. All of the angels obeyed their Lord and prostrated to His greatest creation Adam pbuh. But Iblis refused. He said "My Lord You created me from fire and him from mud I am better than he is." So by Iblis first disobeying God shows he was not an angel. Secondly he said "I am made from FIRE" this proves he was a jinn and not an angel. This is why God says He created jinn from smokeless fire. When fire burns something chemically it turns into smoke. So the fire that was smokeless was fire that God created Himself, that didn't come from sulfur, wood or any other flammable material. With God nothing is impossible. When He determines a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is. So it's not confusing it's just ur misunderstanding

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The first thing to say is Quran 2:34 doesn't say "We said to the Jinn* and the angels". It reads: "We said to the angels". It doesn't make a distinction for any Jinn present. It only mentions Iblis and the Angels. So I think it was reasonable to conclude the verse is Iblis is an Angel. We assume, based on other verses, that Iblis is not an Angel.

*Or Iblis and the Angels

I can accept that Iblis was never an Angel. What I'm saying is the verse is not clear. I wouldn't have known based on that verse alone. Quran 2:34, in particular, is worded quite misleadingly I would say. The Tafsir scholars agree with you, but most people, especially in the 3rd word, don't have access to the vast volumes of Tafsir - and may be illiterate. The interpretation  of the Tafsir scholars seems forced - nowhere in the passage Quran 2:34 is taken from does it make a disinfection for Iblis (as far as I'm aware).

E.g. Quran 2:31 says "And He taught Adam the names of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: "Tell me the names of these if ye are right."" and Quran 2:30 "Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not.""

Again we see the Quran not making a distinction. It doesn't say "Angels and Jinn" or "Angels and Iblis", even though both Jinn and Angels were supposed to be present. Quran 2:30 says Allah only talked to Angels, even though Iblis is supposed to have been present. Quran 2:34 says only Angels were told to prostrate. Does this mean Iblis was not given the same instructions as the Angels seeing as only Angels were instructed by Allah? Why isn't the Quran being clear with us?


We see this theme again in Quran 20:116

"And when We said unto the angels: Fall prostrate before Adam, they fell prostrate (all) save Iblis; he refused."

The Quran is misleading us into thinking Iblis is Angel again. There verse never mentions the Jinn having to prostrate. Only Angels. Why doesn't it say "We said unto the Jinn and the Angels" or "Iblis and the Angels".

But let's put that aside for the moment. What is the benefit to creating Jinn? How does this help creation? Do they serve any useful purpose?

The smokeless fire part always loses me. Why have Jinn not been detected yet? Fire is heat. Why do we not feel the heat of their fire or have any means of detecting their fire? What tools (and you can speculate on future technology here) would I need to detect a Jinn?