Making the case for Islam.

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So far I'm just talking about general structure like the blue print behind all books revealed by God and all religions (which are all instances of the true religion) revealed by God.

So far it's mainly that God would send guidance. Not too much more then that, has been proven.

Mystic, your topic is called "Making the case for Islam"; so please stick to your context.

11. God Guides to the truth (essential cornerstone of this discussion)
2. Who guides by the truth is more worthy of being followed or those who aren't guided unless they are guided.

It seems when we don't want to follow God, or say we won't follow any representatives of God as there are no such representatives or no books revealed by God, we incline to either:

Let me guess: the 12 Imams !!!
General case indeed..

1. Follow others who aren't sure are guided.

2. Follow ourselves when we aren't sure we are guided.

Yes yes sure, you want us to follow "the 12 guided Imams" who are surely guided, and but they aren't here, so Ali Khamenei is a substitution representative .

It seems people become satisfied for misguidance rather then guidance. 

The whole gist is if God guides by the truth, then he would prove essentially those who he wants us to follow and look towards.

No. People hated Shia the most, because:
1-They are racist
2-They stink
3-They commit such barbaric acts:





Sadly they chant in Arabic..Wish if you would translate those chanting, would ya Mystic ?

So, they guys of your faith do this..chant against "Lost misguided astray Sunna" in the middle of a holy month; meaning that your whole 12 imam guidance is based on hating Sunnahs..hell, I gotta say this, you guys are a hateful bunch ! look, I dislike sunnies; A LOT, they were the reason behind my suffering in Saudi Arabia, but your "guidance"?

Hell, if that came into power, I would've became a sausage..

The absence of the manifestation of a clear proof, but a hidden proof, is up to God. It's up to God make the proof hidden or manifest.

Hidden?
Okay let me guess:
Since it's hidden, then nobody knows where it was hid, except some "special people" !!!

Right?

Okay..let's continue.

We know there is absence of manifestation of clear proof in some areas in some times, but we know God, would also not leave humanity to themselves but rather seek to guide them. That is to say, there is always a way towards God, a path towards God, a way to follow God upon certainty and be lead by him.

That is true indeed. The question is: HOW?
let me guess..through THE 12 GUIDED IMAMS !!!

So predictable !!


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would say this essential thing to reflect upon, so manifest, so clear, that God guides to the truth yet we are inclining to those who we don't know are guided or not, and have no clear proof that they are leading us upon guidance, and following people out of ignorance, should be found emphasized in the book revealed by God.

And that God would counter this false worshipped system of idols (known as the Taghut in Quran) with leaders who inclining to would be inclining to God, and following would be following God, is essential truth to any book revealed by God.

This so far has to be an ingredient in God's book.

Behold, Mystic's guided leaders we should follow:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelve_Imams
And this fanatic maniac is the replacement of these Imams (is to be followed; until one of the Imams show up):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei
MrNoMorePropaganda

Life can be tough at times. Just ask Altas with their MS, epilepsy and living Saudi with the threat of Saudi Gulags. But at least I have clean drinking water, nice food to eat and other nice things.

Indeed, Indeed. Thank you for being there, feeling, MNMP ^_^

You said it yourself, Allah has signs. We should see the signs and that good enough, no?

The plot  is that the signs are "hidden", and can only be unlocked and found at the hands of the 12 guided Imams, who ironically ALL come from the same family.

So why does Allah need all of these different names? We are told Allah can do anything after all. Some of the names aren't even in the Quran - they are found only in the Hadith, and people disagree on them -  and I'm sure Atlas can elaborate on this.

Well, it's always about the "purpose" after all, one can refer to him with what he called himself with in revelation he revealed; it won't matter. The names are not just names; they are "adjectives" too; qualities. A God will have many qualities indeed, but the "99" thingy is, after all, a Hadith.

The plot would be applied here too: by giving God "too many names", the "Imam" would have a bluffing chance to claim that he know a certain "hidden name" that God magically obey prayers when he's called by the certain hidden name.

Magic stuff; no joke. many muslims love these things; the "mystical pre-Islamic Arabian dark magic" things..
Alladin stuff.

In Saudi Arabia, you can't believe the amounts of money the natives pay for certain "blessed,knowledgabla sheikhs" who work as "demon busters" and fight "black magic". Sunnah are so messed up indeed; all Muslims are TBH xD

While in reality, the Quran was so simple and decisive about this names thing:

Sura 17
( 110 )   Say, "Call upon Allah or call upon the Most Merciful. Whichever [name] you call - to Him belong the best names." And do not recite [too] loudly in your prayer or [too] quietly but seek between that an [intermediate] way.

Do I utter a different name of Allah depending on what Dua outcome I want? I'm not really sure that you've told us why names are important. Mathematics, people have argued that before about the Quran - but it's nothing a human couldn't do - especially with all kinds of amazing computer hardware and software of today.

According to sura 17, it wouldn't really matter