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Making the case for Islam.
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RE: Making the case for Islam.
It's my belief that these sort of statements are stated purely out of desires straying off from reason. I don't believe reason has anything to do with thinking morals are simply what we think rather than having a reality which they are based upon. Praise, value, morals, these all point to some light, some cosmic force of balance, that guides us. The light is God. Of course God is beyond the light in creation, but he is the light of the light.

I believe dark ignorance ignited by desires or simply not caring enough for God and his beauty, is the reason for ignorance of God. Love of debating is also not good if it's intended to refute people rather then come to the truth.

I think there are clear proofs of the guidance as well. And everything becomes easy once we become humbles seekers of beautiful wisdom and in love with what we should be in love with.

When we are inclining to evil, deception, and want to elude ourselves of praise that is not praise, then everything becomes hard.

One day you will have to wake up and pick out the sword of God from all other swords. It's then when you see and acknowledge the light of truthfulness and it's link to the ultimate truth. It's when you let the sword of God embrace you that one truly submits to God.

Till then it's all trickery. Even acts of goodness that seem good or acts of praise or empathy or mercy, can be deceptive and veils of darkness, without that sincere awakening.

The Quran till will mostly remain unclear. I'm trying to make a case for it, but really, the Quran speaks to the heart mainly, and it appeals to the heart to discipline the mind in the way it's meant to be used.

It's been a journey. I remember when the book seemed dark and confusing, and full of empty conjecture and rhetoric that didn't make sense. It's been a journey from then.

The more you reflect over things, the more the Quran opens up. For example, study the issue of power (in political science) and you will see Quran has a deep theme about the issue. Power and authority in society.

I am not interested in hanging on to the praise/moral issue. I've discussed in many times. This why I started in this thread simply summarizing and not getting into that debate.

This thread is mainly about what follows from that. Once we acknowledge God and his praise, how can we find the true religion? I believe that Quran appeals to reason and seeks to awaken people to the religion he has chosen for humanity. Clear proofs of the guidance.

I making the case for it. Praise is linked to God and God is it's continuous source and maintiner. That is a fact. It's not a subjective feeling of people, it's a reality. There is no other possibility even possible and there is no other reality but that.

We aren't the judge of ourselves or what value we have, there is rather a perception that maintains who we are objectively that can only explained from ultimate seeing one and ultimate hearing one who sees things as they truly are.
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Making the case for Islam. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2016 at 2:49 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by Minimalist - June 5, 2016 at 3:10 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by brewer - June 5, 2016 at 3:17 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 5, 2016 at 3:31 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by LastPoet - June 5, 2016 at 3:36 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2016 at 3:38 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 5, 2016 at 3:40 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by Minimalist - June 5, 2016 at 3:44 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by madog - June 5, 2016 at 3:45 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by Brian37 - June 5, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by WinterHold - June 5, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by LastPoet - June 5, 2016 at 6:11 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by WinterHold - June 5, 2016 at 10:10 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2016 at 4:01 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by WinterHold - June 5, 2016 at 10:07 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by Minimalist - June 5, 2016 at 4:13 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2016 at 4:22 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by Aoi Magi - June 5, 2016 at 4:31 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by Minimalist - June 5, 2016 at 6:10 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by ReptilianPeon - June 5, 2016 at 4:40 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2016 at 4:53 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2016 at 4:59 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by ReptilianPeon - June 5, 2016 at 5:04 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by LastPoet - June 5, 2016 at 6:05 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by paulpablo - June 5, 2016 at 8:39 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2016 at 10:58 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by paulpablo - June 5, 2016 at 11:14 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2016 at 11:21 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by paulpablo - June 5, 2016 at 11:27 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by paulpablo - June 5, 2016 at 11:21 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by WinterHold - June 5, 2016 at 11:33 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2016 at 11:34 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by WinterHold - June 5, 2016 at 11:41 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by paulpablo - June 5, 2016 at 11:49 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by Brian37 - June 6, 2016 at 6:53 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by paulpablo - June 5, 2016 at 11:42 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by paulpablo - June 5, 2016 at 11:55 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by MysticKnight - June 6, 2016 at 12:20 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by ReptilianPeon - June 6, 2016 at 3:16 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by WinterHold - June 6, 2016 at 7:44 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by Brian37 - June 6, 2016 at 9:09 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by WinterHold - June 9, 2016 at 8:49 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by Spinchance - June 6, 2016 at 6:41 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by GUBU - June 10, 2016 at 4:52 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by Spinchance - June 10, 2016 at 5:57 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by GUBU - June 10, 2016 at 8:01 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by Spinchance - June 10, 2016 at 11:18 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by GUBU - June 11, 2016 at 5:18 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by ReptilianPeon - June 6, 2016 at 5:46 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 9, 2016 at 4:21 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by SofaKingHigh - June 9, 2016 at 8:58 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by WinterHold - June 9, 2016 at 9:04 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 9, 2016 at 11:58 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by ReptilianPeon - June 9, 2016 at 3:26 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by Minimalist - June 9, 2016 at 9:40 pm
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by ReptilianPeon - June 10, 2016 at 2:58 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by ignoramus - June 10, 2016 at 3:17 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by ReptilianPeon - June 10, 2016 at 4:03 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by WinterHold - June 11, 2016 at 10:15 am
RE: Making the case for Islam. - by ReptilianPeon - June 11, 2016 at 12:34 pm

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