Hell and God cant Co-exist.

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I just thought I'd bring up again about the different types of causes: material and efficient.

Material is what something comes from (essentially some form of energy, most likely); and efficient is the agency by which it happens.

So something can (logically) have four combinations of causes:

1) Efficient and material
2) Just efficient
3) Just material
4) Neither efficient nor material

It's my understanding that science so far suggests that 1 and 3 can happen. No observation of 2 or 4 have been encountered as far as I know; but that doesn't make them impossible. Their discovery may well impact current theory.

Creation from nothing, God style, seems to mostly be type 2.

From a philosophical viewpoint, I'd say that it's impossible to prove an event has no efficient cause, or no material cause for that matter. But science isn't about proof, it's about accurate models.

Science dudes please slap me if I'm mistaken.