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[Gemini]

I stand dejectedly corrected.  With all these shootings, how is it possible that so many USians still try to maintain the point that guns aren't the issue?  

Boru

They want guns, for the same reason little kids like to play with toy guns. To feel badass. And they haven't learned to discriminate between bullshit arguments that give them what they want and arguments based on facts.

NRA: "Bad guys will get their hands on guns anyway because they're bad guys, so the only thing gun regulations will do is prevent good guys from protecting themselves with guns."

Anyone with common sense: "The data don't support that. Look at Australia, Japan, etc. The data overwhelmingly support the effectiveness of regulations in preventing gun deaths."

NRA: "You're just saying that because you're meanies who want to take our guns away. You love it when shootings happen because it gives you an excuse to try to take our guns away!"

Which is another way of saying we've got a lot of immature, foolish people in America. More per capita than they have in Japan and Australia, anyway.