Human rights for mother nature?

[thesummerqueen]

I told her the idea had merit but many problems. It's a step in the right general direction. You wanted true discussion, how about discussing it? I'm quite interested in how we can grow much produce in areas where it might not have been considered entirely feasible in order to keep transportation and energy emissions down.

Which, after all, is a big problem I can see if we follow JohnDG's seeming line of thinking that we need to "share" with the rest of the world. We can share all we want, at the expenditure of much effort and energy. Not to mention all the bureaucratic red tape.

After all, everyone complains about the number of SUV's on the road, but no one talks about how we have to haul food from all over the world because it's more profitable to grow things in some areas than others. Very simple example: It's entirely possible for me to grow repeat roses outside here in NC. It's also entirely possible to grow MORE of them in greenhouses that use a fuckload of energy and water, or in CA even where the growing season is even longer and transport them other places. Ships, trucks, airplanes, etc...all because we want tomatoes for a BLT and they might have been grown in Guatemala.

And once you figure out how to grow things locally and we stop giving our business to the other humans on this planet, some of which depend on those major exports, you tell me how you plan to drag them out of the third world so that they care about saving the planet the same way our privileged asses get to do.

No fruit-picker cares about saving the planet. That's for non-hungry white fucks with too much time on their hands.