Evidence that God exists

[fr0d0]

I'm not decided as to how far science can go into religious issues.

As for my saying that I will not except belief in god because there is no discernible proof, it is hardly an impossible statement. You are attacking a strawman. My request for evidence of god is purely that - a request of evidence for god. And as for your cheese analogy, that is the nonsensical thing here. My line my reasoning would say that I can't accept cheese because there is no evidence of it, not because of some other random fact.

So, my lack of belief in god is due to a lack of evidence of god. Someone's lack of belief in cheese would be due to a lack of evidence of cheese. Someone's lack of belief in the sky would be due to a lack of evidence of the sky. Someone's lack of belief in santa claus would be due to a lack of evidence of santa claus.

Stop mixing things together. Stick to the point.

Yes this is what everyone keeps saying. What I'm trying to say with my impossible statement is that the evidence question is equally impossible. I asked my wife today if God was in or outside the universe, as the question has been raised on this forum before. She said He's in all the universe at once. Perhaps that's a better answer than mine.

Do you believe in god simply because you feel/think he is real? And if there is anything which has helped you make up your mind, please tell me.

I thought about it a lot, reasoned a lot of stuff out and still then had to take a leap of faith to actual belief. Studying helped me make up my mind. So did discussion with varied people, for and against.

Forget about all the rules, tell me exactly what makes you believe in the existence of god, and the Christian god at that.

What rules? You mean prosteletizing I presume?
Nothing super natural.
How it logically fits together from the Bible. How the Bible contains perfect statements of 'truth'. Truth = statements that are perfect in their irrefutibility.
Feelings are nice, although superficial to me. It's nice to feel grateful to an external force in that it's entirely positive. You have to be realistic, I strive to be realistic and to attribute correctly. God to me isn't a replacement for factual truth, but an additional type of understanding/ descriptor of our world that satisfies a human need.. not at all in conflict with science.. that would be abhorrent. But something more that, besides all the mumbo jumbo people have bolted on to it in the form of destructive superstition, is basic to human needs.

I like people like on this forum who seriously question religion and faith. To me it's a movement of extreme discovery stripping out the mountains of crap that have made faiths so absolutely dire representations of what they're supposed to be.

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"We are both atheist, I just believe in one God less then you. When you realise why you have chosen to not believe in other religions, then you may understand why I don't believe in yours"

A quote from an unkown person (which I translated from swedish to english). I thought this suited this thread, you should think about this Fr0d0.

The original quote (in swedish)

"Jag vill hävda att vi båda är ateister, jag tror bara på en Gud mindre än dig.
När du inser varför du väljer att inte tro på andra religioner kommer du att inse
varför jag väljer att inte tro på din"

Yes I know the quote well Giff.

What I was attempting to establish with this thread was the point that there can never be demonstrable proof of God's existence, if you missed that. Apologies if you didn't.

As any non believer want's to understand the opposite.. that is: why I believe God exists ..pertinent perhaps is my point that science doesn't (yet) give us an appropriate platform to discuss God. Demonstrable proof, being necessarily absent, screws it before we start.

I absolutely understand that others don't believe what I do. After all, all Christians have to have not believed once. I was raised by atheists, became a Christian, became atheist again, and am now Christian again. I in no way demand you take on any of my beliefs, just that you grant me freedom to hold them, as I grant you complete freedom to think and believe what you like.