(July 6, 2016 at 6:10 pm)Ignorant Wrote:You're doing it again... making "an existential relationship out of a conceptual one".(July 6, 2016 at 5:15 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: We are carbon existing. [1] You're just playing word games. We don't exist separate from existing as carbon and other molecules. [2] You've made an existential relationship out of a conceptual one. [3] Providing examples isn't going to clear that error. [4]
1) Exactly! So what is carbon? Whatever that answer is... what is that thing? Either that line of questioning continues forever... or it ends with: what is it? It is 'existing' itself, 'being' itself.
'existing' itself is not a thing. It is a property of a thing.
(July 6, 2016 at 6:10 pm)Ignorant Wrote: 2) That is precisely the point!
3) See above. I AM carbon existing in a particular way. Any thing is some other more fundamental thing existing as the greater-whole-thing. Either there is ultimately some fundamental existence, or everything is an infinity of more fundamental existing things.
4) It looks like it just did! =)
As far as we know, nowadays, at the base of it all is Quarks. Here, education free of charge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark