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Does a God exist?
RE: Does a God exist?
(July 7, 2016 at 8:39 am)SteveII Wrote:
(July 6, 2016 at 6:12 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Not all authors claim a rising from the dead, do they? At least, not in the original versions...
The versions that had stuff added to later on... well... it is known that there has been tampering with at least one ending.... no "mistake" intended, I'm sure!

Which authors don't claim Jesus rose from the dead? Mark? How does the 'original' verses 1-8 not claim Jesus rose from the dead? Did you remember there were 27 different documents? They would have ALL had to been significantly altered to remove the resurrection of Jesus. There is simply no evidence that happened.

Mark... why not?...
What was the original ending?
" When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus’ body. 2 Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb 3 and they asked each other, “Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?”

4 But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away. 5 As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed.

6 “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. 7 But go, tell his disciples and Peter, ‘He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.’”

8 Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid."

Can you spot the problem here?
1 - They just decided to go do that but wouldn't even have remembered that there was a huge ass stone blocking the entrance. Either they're all 3 a bit dumb, or... like many others, the story is fabricated, with a particular objective.
2 - "Oh yay, someone else got the stone out for us... and told us that 'he has risen' and went off into the world" No need to take a look in the tomb, then... this unknown figure is totally believable.
3 - Oh... instead of rejoicing, they cower in fear, flee, and TELL NO ONE!! How does this tale come to be in writing, then?

Bah.... I don't care to discuss the stupid book. It was written with a purpose in mind.
It is astonishing that that purpose is still working.

(July 7, 2016 at 8:39 am)SteveII Wrote:
Quote:Like I said: Essenes.
The notion of the dying and rising leader/teacher was already present in the region... for some 200 years.
How odd that such a notion would be built upon and embellished!

Belief... that's where the whole building crumbles. Why is belief required at all?
Why would the super-being creator of the Universe and beyond be limited to belief?
Makes no sense.
But it does make sense if said being was absent (at least) and people were perpetuating a notion that seemed to work... once... and still does, in a way... perpetuating the notion of the absent being.
And which better way than to indoctrinate children? https://home.snu.edu/~hculbert/ages.htm

Kirk said it well.... "What does God need with a starship?"
What does God need with you believers trying to convince others to believe in the same thing? Can't he do it himself?
If He doesn't do it himself, why do you impose yourselves over His apparent desire not to impose?

I read the entire Wikipedia article on the Essenes. Did not mention anything about "dying and rising leader/teacher". I think you underestimate the just how radical an idea that a 'messiah dies for our sins therefore allowing a personal relationship with God' is. 

Your definition of belief is off. From Wikipedia: "Belief is the state of mind in which a person thinks something to be the case, with or without there being empirical evidence to prove that something is the case with factual certainty. "

The wikipedia article... lol...
Maybe you should have looked into this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teacher_of_Righteousness
But... wiki... we all know how biased it can be...
Maybe historians are better at explaining things?
http://www.shareintl.org/archives/M_emer...eacher.htm
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsou...19666.html
http://www.ida.net/graphics/shirtail/deadsea.htm


On belief, thank you for the definition. This one you gave is a bit too inclusive... to the point where knowledge must be defined as "justified true belief". How about we leave this philosophical definition and use the common understanding?
belief - to think that something is the case, without evidence to attest it.
knowledge - to think that something is the case, with evidence that attests to it.
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