RE: Leaving christianity, a bit of my story
July 11, 2016 at 4:39 pm
(This post was last modified: July 11, 2016 at 4:45 pm by Simon Moon.)
(July 11, 2016 at 4:31 pm)SteveII Wrote:(July 11, 2016 at 2:59 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: The NT is the claim, not evidence.
Kind of curious why you don't understand that.
You are saying that period descriptions of historical events are not evidence of historical events. By your definition, we would never ever know anything about any historical events. In addition, the NT describes the events that were already believed to have happened and either written by eyewitnesses or people with access to eyewitnesses (either personally or through additional documents). Churches (which already believed that Jesus came, performed miracles, died, and rose again) existed before Paul started writing to them and before the gospel editors completed their works. Characterizing all 27 documents as the claim, is simply either (a) a misunderstanding of what it is they contain or (b) a catchy phrase used by atheist that has no real meaning.
I am fine with accepting descriptions of historical events in the NT that can also be verified from other sources. The NT does contain many such descriptions of historical events.
It is the supernatural god claims that I am referring to as being the claim, not evidence, in the NT.
The fact that there are 27 documents is meaningless. I can point out hundreds of documents written by sincere honest people who claim to have been abducted by aliens. Does the number of books and articles written by "abductees" lend any credibility to their claims?
Quote:Churches (which already believed that Jesus came, performed miracles, died, and rose again) existed before Paul started writing to them and before the gospel editors completed their works.
And their were churches already in existence that believed the entire resurrection story did not occur on earth, but in a supernatural realm.
Your fallacious thinking is not doing you any favors.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.