Religion teacher has Naked Twister on daughter's 16th b-day

[Pat Mustard]

I think part of her problem is that she went to a programme which according to the best available evidence is no more succesful than spontaneous remission (the AA hasn't published usable data since the 1980's on how many members stop drinking, mainly because the data at the time indicated being a member was less succesful than doing nothing).

I have no idea how they could amass statistics of any kind. It's left up to the attendees to define their success/failure.

I wouldn't even be in the current stats despite 29+ years of sobriety as I don't have  a (self) designated home group, assuming it would be home groups that would do the nose counts.

Further complicating it would be individuals like 'Mike' who feels he relapsed several years ago from taking pain killers in a hospital prescribed by a doctor and I don't define that as a relapse, and what of someone in AA  (by definition for alcohol) and I know several people with polypharmacy addiction who nevertheless have been dry for several years ??

I feel the lack of stats is more of an honest admission that stats just can't be harvested from groups far less organized than a herd of cats.

I'll have to dig out the book I have that looked into the matter (if I still own it), but up until the 1980's they kept a lot more detailed records on their membership in the US, stuff like how many joined and left, how many (by their own cognizance) were remaining sober throughout or not and other stats, which were available on request. They stopped because, as I said, the statistics they kept showed the programme didn't work.