(July 13, 2016 at 4:45 pm)SteveII Wrote:(July 13, 2016 at 4:08 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Or it could simply be a reflection of the fact that there are more Christians, period. You're cherry picking Steve. Since Christians aren't increasing in relative numbers you pick one statistic where they arguably have been making gains. I note you've yet to back up that claim with any relevant data. A table of U.S. conversions which shows that most are voting 'no' to affiliation with a religion isn't relevant. If adult conversion rates are high relatively speaking, that can only mean retention numbers are poor relatively speaking, because you aren't making any gains worldwide. And the following graph shows that: high numbers in Africa and Asia, low numbers in Europe.
Christian representation has been keeping par with global birth rates for over a century. That's not a vote of confidence. It's treading water.
You are missing my point. Rob's OP was about comparing religions. That is all I am doing. I think I demonstrated that Christianity is more compelling than other religions. Regarding your chart on religious switching, the only number that matters to my point is the incoming number compared to the incoming number of other religions. Leaving really isn't a factor since they define that as including being born into a religion.
If Christianity has been keeping par with other religions, that doesn't demonstrate that it's more compelling than these other religions. Quite the opposite, it shows it's no more compelling than these other religions. So far you've claimed that adult conversion rates are higher for Christianity than other religions. Besides not having presented any data in support of your claim, this could be so for a lot of reasons besides it being 'compelling'. You've demonstrated no such thing. How could you, you haven't presented any support for your claim. And yes outgoing numbers matter if you're basing your whole argument on a claim that your religion is appealing to new people. How appealing it is to old converts then becomes relevant because appeal is the basis of your argument.
Rob's argument was that a true religion should realistically be expected to provide its adherents more than just belief. If you're claiming that your belief is appealing as belief, that's not an attack on Rob's argument.