RE: Is There a Difference Between Trusting Scientists and Trusting Preachers?
July 14, 2016 at 1:22 pm
(July 14, 2016 at 12:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote:(July 14, 2016 at 12:28 pm)SteveII Wrote: I will clarify since this has become disjointed.You're not clarifying, you're trying to split the baby - and that's fine...but that -is- what I'm asking you about.
Quote:1. If a religious belief conflicts with a scientific fact, it should be discarded. Scientific fact can disprove a religious claim if the religious claim is making statements about the natural world--how the world is. (for example: world is center of the universe, sickness is a judgement from God, the earth is 6000 years old, and other traditional god-of-the-gaps beliefs that have been dismissed).b-mine.
2. Scientific facts have no bearing on the possibility of supernatural causes because claims of supernatural causes do not make claims about the natural world. In fact, when weighing whether a supernatural event happened, we rely on science to tell us if a natural cause is possible/probable.]
Then there's no need to reference a metric that you do not accept as applicable. You have not done so, you've simply termed those contradictory narratives "supernatural" and so exempt from the criteria that -you- proposed. The one cannot be consistently maintained in the face of the other. So which should we do, and why, again.....?
The trouble doesn't end there, ofc.
The world -is- the center of the universe, supernaturally.
Sickness -is- a judgement from god, supernaturally.
The earth -is- 6000 years old, supernaturally.
You cannot consistently dismiss these, unless your opinion on the exemption of the supernatural is abandoned and we re-assume the previously abandoned metrics.
Not only are you proposing inconsistent metrics, you're inconsistently -applying- them. It's all a hot fucking mess and there's no point to it whatsoever. You have not done what you propose should be done, and that's okay..because, according to your own comments, it cannot -be- done. You don't believe in the silly shit, but it's not for the rationalizations presented to us here.
I understand your point. I will think about it and respond later. Right now I should be working.