No need for creation... of anything

[darkblight]

That things must have a beginning and end is indeed a fallacy and limitation of human thought, but that does not exclude the possibility that things might have a beginning and end. As for the laws of thermodynamics, people far to often use them too broadly. They apply to closed systems and focus on the properties of energy within said system. We can assume the universe is a closed system, but this is by no means certain, and thus the laws of thermodynamics cannot be definitively applied in this context.

I can imagine that the reason not many people hang their hat on the answer that things always existed and always will is because the universe is expanding, and as far as we know there was a time when it all "began", if such a word can be used in the context of the big bang. We can postulate as much as we want in relation to what happened "before" the big bang, again not really the right word to use, but until further scientific advances are made we cannot say for certain. What we can say is that the universe did not exist in it's current state at the time of the singularity, and as such that can be said to be the beginning of the universe.

The simplest answer is often the right one, but not always, and sometimes what seems the simplest isn't.

what i have often thought in this context is that

1) if minimums and maximums exist
(as in there is a point in the universe which is the hottest/coldest)
2) if gravity exists and pulls matter towards it
3) if matter cannot be created or destroyed

then the universe is a result of the highest point of gravity over time pulling all matter together, the result of which is the big bang, and the result of that is me and you typing on this forum eventually

so, perhaps we are caught up in this explosion and our lives will occur during the expansion of the universe, but at the universe expands eventually this central point of gravity will pull it back causing the explosion to occur again, with the exact same matter, compressed in the exact same way because it is the only way the matter can become as tightly compacted as possible

the result of this explosion as the laws do not change, and the matter does not change, will be the same, eventually leading to me and you sitting on our computers typing on this forum.

this would explain that the universe does not have a beginning or a end, but simply has a cycle

it also would really be horrible as you would never be aware of it and everything you do would be predetermined , so i guess hope you are born in a rich family

again i am not being rhetorical but please point out the flaw in this as i oh so hope it cannot be true


edit: wow alot of people have thought this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return