Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: December 20, 2024, 2:47 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
No need for creation... of anything
#4
RE: No need for creation... of anything
Yeah, the thought of eternal return, or a wheel of time or similar is an ancient concept. Many religions have been based around it, and today there are plenty of people who think it or believe it a possibility.

The thought of a "big crunch" as it's known used to be prominent hypothesis after the big bang theory was established, but more recent evidence suggests that the universe is accelerating rather than slowing down as it seems it should due to gravity. If this trend continues we can reasonably assume that the Universe will simply expand indefinitely and become an endless void, thus avoiding the possible wheel of time.

However, even assuming the universe did fall back in on itself and another big bang occurred, the outcome would not automatically be the same even if the rules are the same. Remember that the laws that govern the universe set limits on what can happen, but not so stringently as to allow only one possible outcome. The best way to demonstrate this is with quantum fluctuations, which ensure that this is a universe of statistical probabilities, not certainties. You also assume that a singularity can only be compacted in one specific way, but I will point out that all the laws of the universe break down at such a state and everything becomes uniform in every way. This would in essence make any pattern beyond absolute symmetry impossible.

We can of course not say with absolute certainty that eternal return cannot happen, but current understanding seems to preclude the possibility of such a cycle.



Note: I have to nitpick one thing you said, and that is that you called the big bang an explosion. The big bang is poorly named, and the name was originally intended as a mockery of the theory yet it stuck. The correct description would be rapid expansion. I only point it out because some people use the term explosion for the big bang out of ignorance as a way to mock it, mostly creationists.
Signature pending...
Reply



Messages In This Thread
No need for creation... of anything - by darkblight - May 2, 2011 at 7:21 pm
RE: No need for creation... of anything - by Boreasos - May 3, 2011 at 4:02 am
RE: No need for creation... of anything - by Arcturus - May 15, 2011 at 4:18 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Response to Darkmatter2525 ""Why Does Anything Matter?" Eik0932 23 3458 September 26, 2018 at 12:08 pm
Last Post: Angrboda
  Is anything sacred? (Extra credit for specifying what it is for you.) Whateverist 55 8272 November 17, 2017 at 2:19 pm
Last Post: Catholic_Lady
  Ken Ham's Creation museum is FAILING!!!!! Manowar 222 67983 September 17, 2017 at 6:31 pm
Last Post: Astonished
  Aren't Science vs. Creation Debates......rather pointless? maestroanth 30 6660 March 29, 2016 at 9:20 am
Last Post: Whateverist
  do you worry about if anything bad would happen if christianity died? Rextos 26 5779 February 13, 2016 at 3:05 am
Last Post: Ivan Denisovich
  Do atheists like Atheist Roo have anything useful to offer the Atheist community? IanHulett 21 7918 January 1, 2016 at 10:33 am
Last Post: TheRocketSurgeon
  What is the point of anything? Nell 42 9867 February 13, 2015 at 12:31 am
Last Post: SteelCurtain
  Does the Bible mention anything swarthy people? strawdawg 56 17273 November 30, 2014 at 7:08 pm
Last Post: Losty
  how can we believe anything?? Jextin 29 6142 September 18, 2014 at 2:32 am
Last Post: Wyrd of Gawd
  Why does anything at all exist? tor 44 10696 March 20, 2014 at 9:04 pm
Last Post: Hezekiah



Users browsing this thread: 2 Guest(s)