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Live stream of Dem Convention.
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RE: Live stream of Dem Convention.
(July 26, 2016 at 12:25 am)Tiberius Wrote:
(July 25, 2016 at 11:28 pm)Exian Wrote: Think Bernie did a good enough job getting the Bernie or Bust crowd over to the Hilary camp? He seemed to stress the idea that he and Hilary compromised and combined their platforms in an effort to get them on board.

Probably not; he didn't convince me anyway. His listing of the combined platform just reminded me that basically every item on the list was a Bernie policy that Hillary fought against, then adopted, then claimed she's supported all along.

If Clinton hasn't chosen a conservative Democrat as a running mate, they would have convinced more people. If the DNC email scandal hadn't just happened, they would have convinced more people. If Clinton hadn't just hired Debbie Wassermann Schultz to her campaign, they would have convinced more people.

The DNC screwed themselves if they wanted the support of Bernie supporters, because you can't purposefully try to undermine a progressive grassroots campaign, lie about it, hire the person who was in charge or ultimately responsible for the undermining, and then turn around and say "oh, but do we still have your vote?"

As I said before in another thread, the Democrats had this election on a silver platter when Trump was nominated. All they had to do was avoid scandal, have a fair and democratic nomination process, and they would have sailed into the White House on a landslide. Instead, we got Clinton with her email excuses and lies, the DNC rigging the contest against a perfectly decent candidate, and a Democratic Party that doesn't even deserve to use the word "Democratic" in their name anymore.

That is politics. That is no different than when dems for a long time supported gays in secret but couldn't get elected if open politically. We can accuse ANY politician of ANY party of flipping on issues all we want, but the ultimate truth is THEY won't respond unless WE as voters put pressure on them, and that was the entire intent of Bernie, in spite of his loss, he still caused change and that change is not a one election tactic but a long term directional goal. 

You cant end 40 years of Reagan's failed deregulation in one election and pin your hopes on one person. Bitching about Hillary's flaws at this point is bulllshit as far as I am concerned. A Trump win will be Bush Jr on steroids and undo all the fixing Obama did on top of making it that much harder if he controls the SCOTUS nominations. 

These are the cards we've been dealt, we have no choice but to fight back no matter what. The world cannot afford Trump.
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Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Brian37 - July 25, 2016 at 5:18 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by henryp - July 25, 2016 at 5:33 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Brian37 - July 25, 2016 at 5:41 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Faith No More - July 25, 2016 at 5:58 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by henryp - July 25, 2016 at 6:09 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by c172 - July 25, 2016 at 6:25 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Rayaan - July 25, 2016 at 6:32 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by SteelCurtain - July 25, 2016 at 6:42 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Tiberius - July 25, 2016 at 8:11 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by SteelCurtain - July 25, 2016 at 9:10 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by SteelCurtain - July 25, 2016 at 9:59 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Brian37 - July 25, 2016 at 10:24 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by rexbeccarox - July 25, 2016 at 10:51 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by c172 - July 25, 2016 at 11:25 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Minimalist - July 25, 2016 at 11:27 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by c172 - July 25, 2016 at 11:28 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Exian - July 25, 2016 at 11:28 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Brian37 - July 25, 2016 at 11:45 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Tiberius - July 26, 2016 at 12:25 am
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Brian37 - July 26, 2016 at 6:30 am
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by c172 - July 25, 2016 at 11:40 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by SteelCurtain - July 26, 2016 at 12:38 am
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by henryp - July 26, 2016 at 12:47 am
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by SteelCurtain - July 26, 2016 at 1:51 am
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by henryp - July 26, 2016 at 10:41 am
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Brian37 - July 26, 2016 at 10:57 am
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RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Brian37 - July 26, 2016 at 1:14 pm
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RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Brian37 - July 26, 2016 at 6:34 am
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RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Brian37 - July 27, 2016 at 3:18 pm
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RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Tiberius - July 26, 2016 at 9:02 am
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RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Brian37 - July 26, 2016 at 9:21 am
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Divinity - July 26, 2016 at 9:15 am
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RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Brian37 - July 26, 2016 at 10:16 am
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RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by henryp - July 26, 2016 at 11:34 pm
RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Silver - July 27, 2016 at 12:54 am
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RE: Live stream of Dem Convention. - by Brian37 - July 27, 2016 at 6:49 pm
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