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Live stream of Dem Convention.
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(July 28, 2016 at 2:56 am)dyresand Wrote:
(July 28, 2016 at 1:53 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: You keep saying this dyre, but I fear you really are just repeating what's been parroted in the blogs you read. In what ways is Hillary too far right? What is your understanding of the TPP, that it is the most important election issue for you?

My issue is i would like a candidate that is a progressive and works for the people not against them someone who would say okay this enough we 
have failed with our foreign policies when it comes to the middle east. We need a president who can say enough is enough and just pull out of the middle east
and start using diplomacy that's what really needs to happen rather than sending troops to war.
This will not happen, no matter what president is in office. Even Bernie. He would be wrong to do it, even if he were to try. We are involved in the Middle East. We have committed to allies in the region.

Faulting Hillary or---any politician for that matter---all of the problems in the Middle East is dumb. Islamic extremism is the problem, and mistakes have been made in trying to deal with it.

(July 28, 2016 at 2:56 am)dyresand Wrote: A total reduction of our military presences world wide would be 
another great start as much money as we spend we can start using it back here on infrastructure, education, etc. Money can be thrown at RND for alternative fuels
and even green energy that would open up so many new job opportunities once we reduce our need and drive for oil it's better for us in the long run. The rich pay 
a higher much more fair tax even universal healthcare. Then we have to tackle the big issue of militarized police that is yet another big issue i really don't like the idea
that police officers get APC's and automatic rifles as hand me downs from the military it's just a bad idea waiting to happen.

I would agree with you that our military presence should be scaled back, but we're not going to become isolationists overnight. You are not going to get purposeful military reduction out of either party. The military industrial complex is a major industry, and no one is going to be responsible for the loss of military/defense jobs.

On the demilitarization of the police force, I'll quote from the campaign website:
Quote:Promoting oversight and accountability in use of controlled equipment, including by limiting the transfer of military equipment to local law enforcement from the federal government, eliminating the one-year use requirement, and requiring transparency from agencies that purchase equipment using federal funds.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/cr...ce-reform/

(July 28, 2016 at 2:56 am)dyresand Wrote: But this is what i would do but i will list Hillary. 

My biggest grip is why does Hillary need bush donors and why she even says to them i value your values outright more than trump...
if that doesn't scream running to the right i don't know what to say. She even picked a moderate republican as her running mate... 


She doesn't need Bush donors, she wants them. She's not leaning to the right by targeting the one of the most important families in Texas and the GOP. Their endorsement would be incredibly important in attracting moderate conservative voters. She's trying to win an election, not satisfy Bernie Bros. You seem to be an idealogue, dyre. It doesn't matter if something is practical or makes perfect sense, you want it to mean exactly the opposite of what it means, because it fits your narrative. The Bush's are against Donald Trump; they will not endorse or donate to him as of yet. Getting their endorsement would be a HUGE coup for Hillary.

Kaine is a moderate Democrat, not a republican. Words have meaning, dyre. Again, you seem to just make up your own narrative.
(July 28, 2016 at 2:56 am)dyresand Wrote: i really can't say much other than if she truly was running left and wanted to win she would have had Bernie as her VP if she did id vote for her in a heart beat. 
It's what she says that makes her run to the right it's her actions up to this point that really point it out i mean really giving the finger to Bernie voters 
she needs independents like a fish needs water. 


I don't know what you are talking about, and I think neither do you. In what way has she given the finger to Bernie voters?

(July 28, 2016 at 2:56 am)dyresand Wrote: chapters of the TPP that are interesting 19, 20, 21,23,24,26,29

You want to tell me what in those chapters has you up in arms? I'm afraid that might mean you would have to actually read them. I don't think, for a second, that you have.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great

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