RE: Agnostics
July 30, 2016 at 11:50 am
(This post was last modified: July 30, 2016 at 11:55 am by Excited Penguin.)
(July 30, 2016 at 4:25 am)bennyboy Wrote:(July 29, 2016 at 9:46 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I already put forward my final question. Is there something you identify as a God which you believe actually exists, or not?
I think there are some things which I would be willing to call god which I definitely believe MIGHT exist. . . but I don't know if they do or not.
What's the word for believing something might exist?
Maybe I'm an agnostic maybe-theist.
I believe we might live in a simulation, in which case I would be perfectly willing to call our programmer a God. So, you see, in that way, I'm in the same boat as you are. Except for the fact that I do not yet worship this being, since I don't have any tangible reason to believe in exists, only probabilities and theories. I don't have any evidence. My belief would be very much cemented with some evidence.
Does that make me a theist about it? Of course not. I allow probability for this, but I don't actively believe in it to the point where I'm convinced about it. So I couldn't possibly call myself a theist on the matter. I'm very much an "agnostic atheist" towards the simulation God, just as I am towards the other kinds of Gods, even though I find the former far more appealing scientifically, and far more likely.
You need to figure out whether any of these things you might call God really appeal to your mind to the point where you are more convinced that they exist than you doubt their existence(on a scale of 1 - 100, you'd have to be over the 50 mark to call yourself a believer - I think that's reasonable, don't you?). So, are you, Benny, over the 50% mark on that scale about anything you would/do call a God yourself? -- Because as far as I'm concerned, you couldn't possibly be called a believer in God, unless you call something God yourself.
If a crazy person asks you whether you see a cat and believe in its existence, you respond in the affirmative and then it tells you it considers it to be God, it would be more than silly to call yourself a theist about that cat, yet this is exactly what you have been implying earlier over and over again. So, I think you'll agree, it's far more reasonable to call yourself a theist about an entity only and only if you think of that entity as of a God yourself, otherwise it is something else to you, since we have established already that belief in God is far more subjective than it is objective(for the lack of evidence, of course).