Agnostics

[bennyboy]

If wer're tyalking philosophical principles...then it;s one thing to assert that the box is unopenable, and another to present an unopenable box.  You can't actually "make it" any way you choose.  

If you ask me an undefined question, then I will package it and present it to myself in any form I want. It's only when I want to persuade someone else to adopt my view that I have to follow ANY rules about how to communicate those principles.

Give me a specific definition of God, and I will almost for sure shoot it down in flames.

Then the box is openable.

Yep, for that specific definition. Absolutely. And in that case, I suspect I will 100% of the time find upon opening the box that there's nothing more than magical monkey farts inside.

That you personally consider something a god idea does not mean that it actually -is- a god idea..or that the idea is unopenable.  It was your choice to reference philosophy.  If what you actually meant was not a hypothetical, god, a creative philosophical principle...but instead "that which can be asserted"....well...sure, you may never know.  We can assert anything we like, though..obviously, I don;t think we're talking about knowledge - or whether or not we have it or can aqcuire it, anymore, at that point.

Like I say, if you ask me if I believe in ANY definition of God at all, then I will look for definitions of things that I think aren't fucking stupid ideas, but may sensibly be called God. The idea of a panpsychic universe, with all of it together being a kind of massive intelligence, I'd maybe be willing to call God. It's not really my favorite definition of God, but at least it's not Sky Daddy watching teens masturbate in the shower and telling the devil to sharpen his pitchfork.

As for opening the box. If I could PROVE the universe was panpsychic, I might just keep it to myself. Otherwise, the fucking Christians would conflate my God definition with theirs and say, "Now we have PROOF God exists. . . so Johnny, you'd better get out of that goddamned shower right now!"