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Drumpf?
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RE: Drumpf?
(August 3, 2016 at 11:50 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: I was looking to learn a bit more about Mrs Clinton and her running mate. As for Trump, you want honesty? I think he is a poor example of a leader, he is a divisive and polarizing individual in the negative sense. I do like that he is authentic and I actually think I am hearing his honest opinion; and not some well thought out precanned response that was penned to appeal to certain demographics.

So you are put off by someone who thinks about her audience before she speaks? I am confused by this rhetoric. How is it that being measured and thinking about how your words will affect others a negative thing? On the other side, how is it that you want the person who is essentially the worlds most important diplomat to just spout out whatever nonsense he feels like whenever he feels like it? How is this a positive thing?

(August 3, 2016 at 11:50 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: I like his idea of questioning the US and our current level of involvement in NATO. I like that he wants to negotiate trade with other nations from a position of strength. It appears we give up much here. I would like to see American interests first, that means current citizens needs are at the forefront of our priority list, before all others. I don't particularly agree with what I understand to be his views on healthcare. I'm not a fan of Obamacare but it is a step in the right direction in some areas but needs improvement.

I agree with restructuring NATO, it's original use is far past, and European countries, by and large, take advantage of American military spending. But there's the double edged sword. In order to have a benefit from restructuring or leaving NATO, we would have to downsize our military presence in Europe. Otherwise we are just making ourselves more enemies. Now, if we were to leverage our military spending for better trade deals, that would be one thing. But if just one country called our bluff---you'd have a Republican trying to pass a reduction in military spending---that ain't gonna happen.

As far as immigrants go---we do take care of citizens before immigrants. I'm not sure why you think we don't. Well--I have an inkling why you'd think that. The party that deals in feelings rather than facts has touched you.

Trumps plan for Obamacare is "Get it outta here" and "We'll make something way better." In other words---no fucking plan. The better plan is to take the good things about ObamaCare and move towards a single payer plan, remove the profit motive in saving people's lives.

(August 3, 2016 at 11:50 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: I am insulted by Mrs Clinton's condescending attitude and her air of being above the rules and our laws. I really dislike how she panders to minorities. She appears very disingenuous when speaking to African Amercian audiences. I was raised and still maintain very close, relationships (professional and personal) with persons of all races. Both candidates I doubt have any close, personal ties like this and come across as huge phonies in this area.
Honest enough?

Can you point to her condescending attitude? Other than her dismissal of most theocratic and divisive conservative platform ideas---what is it that she is condescending to you about? I'm not saying she isn't, I just don't know where you're coming from. I am African American, and I don't feel she's being disingenuous to me. I think she has a lot to make up for, seeing how her husband and her supported the War on Drugs and privatizing prisons. But she's been good to minority and underserved communities in the past. Her work as a young lawyer is proof enough for me.
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Drumpf? - by PETE_ROSE - August 3, 2016 at 2:28 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Alex K - August 3, 2016 at 3:10 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by TheRealJoeFish - August 3, 2016 at 3:20 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 3, 2016 at 3:30 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by account_inactive - August 3, 2016 at 3:32 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 3, 2016 at 3:33 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by account_inactive - August 3, 2016 at 3:37 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Alex K - August 3, 2016 at 3:37 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by account_inactive - August 3, 2016 at 3:48 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by mlmooney89 - August 3, 2016 at 3:50 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Losty - August 4, 2016 at 12:08 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Crossless1 - August 4, 2016 at 12:15 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Losty - August 4, 2016 at 12:31 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Pat Mustard - August 5, 2016 at 2:55 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Crossless1 - August 5, 2016 at 3:40 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by mlmooney89 - August 4, 2016 at 2:32 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Losty - August 4, 2016 at 2:50 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by mlmooney89 - August 4, 2016 at 2:54 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Pat Mustard - August 5, 2016 at 8:53 am
RE: Drumpf? - by abaris - August 5, 2016 at 9:43 am
RE: Drumpf? - by account_inactive - August 5, 2016 at 9:44 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Pat Mustard - August 5, 2016 at 3:21 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 5, 2016 at 6:01 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Pat Mustard - August 7, 2016 at 4:17 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 7, 2016 at 4:47 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Pat Mustard - August 7, 2016 at 5:01 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 7, 2016 at 5:41 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Mister Agenda - August 8, 2016 at 4:16 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Pat Mustard - August 9, 2016 at 5:38 am
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RE: Drumpf? - by Mister Agenda - August 5, 2016 at 12:01 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Pat Mustard - August 5, 2016 at 3:27 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 3, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Mister Agenda - August 5, 2016 at 11:05 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Crossless1 - August 5, 2016 at 11:11 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Mister Agenda - August 5, 2016 at 12:05 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 5, 2016 at 12:20 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Aroura - August 3, 2016 at 4:02 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 3, 2016 at 4:24 pm
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RE: Drumpf? - by mlmooney89 - August 3, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 3, 2016 at 7:45 pm
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RE: Drumpf? - by Alex K - August 3, 2016 at 4:56 pm
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RE: Drumpf? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 3, 2016 at 7:59 pm
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RE: Drumpf? - by Aroura - August 3, 2016 at 7:42 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 3, 2016 at 7:49 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 3, 2016 at 8:02 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Mister Agenda - August 5, 2016 at 11:14 am
RE: Drumpf? - by tjakey - August 3, 2016 at 8:38 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Mister Agenda - August 5, 2016 at 11:20 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Crossless1 - August 5, 2016 at 11:47 am
RE: Drumpf? - by PETE_ROSE - August 3, 2016 at 10:21 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 3, 2016 at 11:14 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by PETE_ROSE - August 3, 2016 at 11:50 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 4, 2016 at 3:51 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Pat Mustard - August 5, 2016 at 10:48 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Kosh - August 3, 2016 at 11:35 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 3, 2016 at 10:32 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by PETE_ROSE - August 3, 2016 at 11:11 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 3, 2016 at 11:24 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 4, 2016 at 1:55 am
RE: Drumpf? - by PETE_ROSE - August 3, 2016 at 11:31 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 4, 2016 at 3:40 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Mister Agenda - August 5, 2016 at 11:24 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Jackalope - August 5, 2016 at 12:07 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Crossless1 - August 5, 2016 at 12:09 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by SteelCurtain - August 4, 2016 at 12:31 am
RE: Drumpf? - by SteelCurtain - August 4, 2016 at 12:50 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Alex K - August 4, 2016 at 3:54 am
RE: Drumpf? - by mlmooney89 - August 4, 2016 at 11:20 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Crossless1 - August 4, 2016 at 11:28 am
RE: Drumpf? - by mlmooney89 - August 4, 2016 at 11:48 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Crossless1 - August 4, 2016 at 11:51 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 4, 2016 at 12:16 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Crossless1 - August 4, 2016 at 12:17 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 4, 2016 at 12:45 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by account_inactive - August 4, 2016 at 2:50 pm
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RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 4, 2016 at 9:01 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 4, 2016 at 1:07 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Manowar - August 4, 2016 at 2:40 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by account_inactive - August 4, 2016 at 2:51 pm
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RE: Drumpf? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 4, 2016 at 8:54 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by account_inactive - August 4, 2016 at 8:59 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Seraphina - August 4, 2016 at 9:28 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 5, 2016 at 12:42 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Mister Agenda - August 5, 2016 at 11:45 am
RE: Drumpf? - by account_inactive - August 4, 2016 at 2:55 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 4, 2016 at 3:32 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by account_inactive - August 4, 2016 at 3:36 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Losty - August 4, 2016 at 2:55 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 4, 2016 at 3:50 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by account_inactive - August 4, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 4, 2016 at 3:57 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by The Valkyrie - August 4, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Excited Penguin - August 4, 2016 at 3:54 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by The Valkyrie - August 4, 2016 at 3:55 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by account_inactive - August 4, 2016 at 3:58 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 4, 2016 at 4:10 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Gemini - August 4, 2016 at 5:31 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Gemini - August 4, 2016 at 5:37 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Losty - August 4, 2016 at 6:38 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by SteelCurtain - August 4, 2016 at 6:40 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Jackalope - August 4, 2016 at 6:43 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by SteelCurtain - August 4, 2016 at 6:46 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Sterben - August 4, 2016 at 6:58 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 4, 2016 at 8:55 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Sterben - August 5, 2016 at 12:01 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Losty - August 4, 2016 at 8:54 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 4, 2016 at 10:05 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by The Valkyrie - August 4, 2016 at 10:11 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by account_inactive - August 5, 2016 at 12:44 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 5, 2016 at 12:10 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Edwardo Piet - August 5, 2016 at 12:53 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 5, 2016 at 2:05 am
RE: Drumpf? - by account_inactive - August 5, 2016 at 2:45 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 5, 2016 at 3:37 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by account_inactive - August 5, 2016 at 3:58 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Jackalope - August 5, 2016 at 2:02 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Losty - August 5, 2016 at 2:06 am
RE: Drumpf? - by account_inactive - August 5, 2016 at 5:28 am
RE: Drumpf? - by SteelCurtain - August 5, 2016 at 5:31 am
RE: Drumpf? - by account_inactive - August 5, 2016 at 5:38 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Edwardo Piet - August 5, 2016 at 9:45 am
RE: Drumpf? - by Divinity - August 5, 2016 at 11:28 am
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RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 5, 2016 at 1:00 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 7, 2016 at 5:32 pm
RE: Drumpf? - by Minimalist - August 7, 2016 at 5:35 pm
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