Mother and son in New Mexico face jail time for incestuous relationship

[Joods]

You are welcome to your opinion and I am welcome to mine. I guess some of us just posses more common sense than others in that regard. There is a reason why we humans are not attracted to our own kin. Are these two consenting adults? Sure. Doesn't make it right though. She's still of child bearing age. Suppose she accidentally gets pregnant? Then what? You are aware that people don't always use protection, right?

But that's not even the point. This woman gave birth to this kid. He came out of her. In who's actual fucking right mind thinks the two of them having sex with each other is normal by any means? It's not. You may not like my opinion, and you may not agree with it, but I'm okay with that. It's not about me or you. It's about the fact that in this country, incest is against the law and they broke the law. And yes, what they did with each other IS gross.

But your argument, once again, is 'ew yuck.' It is the same argument that Christians use about gay sex, and not one that should restrict grown adults from doing as they please so long as there isn't a victimization taking place.

This case is right in that wheelhouse. He never met the woman until he was already 18. I think it's gross, but I also think some extreme BDSM is gross.

"ewwww" isn't an argument, for starters. It was never intended to be an argument. It was MY fleeting response on the subject of incest. That is all. Furthermore, you, yourself, even admit that it's gross. So how is that any different than my one word reply of "ewwww"?

I would love for anyone here to please point out in my first post, where I said anything else besides "Um..... ewwww" and how that is to be misread as anything, especially when one tries to compare it to something totally unrelated. Wow. The imaginations that run wild here are simply amazing.

It's sad that I even had to make a second post in this thread to begin with. I really didn't want to further my initial post, but I was not going to stand for people making crap up that I didn't even say, so yes, in my second post, I furthered my thoughts on the subject, briefly.

But since you're looking for discussion here we go:

Gay sex is not going to result in a possible biological child being born. This is not a gay issue, so let's not compare apples to oranges here.

Instead, let's talk about what is relevant. Inbreeding as a possible result of the carelessness of two immediate family members of the opposite sex, having sex. So let's look at that.**Disclaimer** This is but one scenario. I do not have the time nor the desire to list Everything that could possibly happen or go wrong in any given situation. I am merely drawing from knowledge of what I have personally seen from the last 20 years of interacting with Amish people, since I live within a reasonable distance from their community and I see them on a daily basis.


The Amish were mentioned and rightfully so here. I live in an area of my state where the Amish are seen all the time. They are not some rare species that only comes out at night or anything, despite not wanting their pictures taken etc. If you go to the Hershey Children's Hospital, you will find many of them there with their kids, seeing specialists. The fact that they are a small, close-knit society but they come out in droves to take their kids to see specialists, should be something to look at vs the population of an area as a whole, that has non-Amish people. The incidences of an Amish person needing to see a specialist, is much higher.  One can only guess why that is, but again, even though it's a variable, it's only just a guess.

There is a lot of inbreeding done in the Amish community. They don't allow outsiders to become Amish. Families have to find some way of keeping the generations going, especially when an Amish teen reaches their 18th birthday and is allowed to experience the world for a year. Should they decide not to come back, they are not ever allowed to come back. They are removed from the Amish community for good. If you've ever talked with them, they have distinct physical features, distinct speech patterns (no, not dialect), many have speech problems, heart problems and other congenital defects that are passed down or created by the inbreeding situation.

Inbreeding affects society despite people saying in this thread that it does not. Here is your example: it affects the Amish community (which is a part of society). Furthermore, inbreeding need not have to affect all four corners of the earth to affect society. If there is an impact in a community, it's affecting THAT part of society. So for anyone saying incest doesn't affect society, they have obviously never had to deal with an Amish family bringing "everyone in the immediate family" to the Children's ward of a hospital, where upwards of 40 of them were camped out in the large family room at the end of one of the hallways.

How did that impact society you ask? Other families had to leave because there was no room for them. They could not stay close to their children because the lounge was full up with Amish people. The hospital did nothing to help the other parents. I was lucky and, like a few others, got to room in with my daughter since she had a private room, but my ex, had to leave and drive 50 miles back home because there was no room for him to sleep in the parent/family lounge. Inbreeding: Because, you know - Uncle grandpa just had to be there.

So along with inbreeding, comes the issues of a child developing health problems stemming from DNA issues. I'm not a doctor and I don't know what all the problems are. There could be infinite ones for all we know. I do know, based on what I have seen while taking my own child up to the Children's hospital for years, is many Amish are seen in the waiting rooms of Pediatric cardiologists, Feeding clinics, Speech specialists, INT specialists, Endocrinology, Gastroenterology, etc. If you look at this particular society, as a whole, many of their offspring are needing to see more and more specialists. Is that because of DNA and inbreeding? Possibly. One could probably research it if they wanted to since Hershey is a teaching hospital, they most likely have records of studies done somewhere.

What I'm saying "ewwww" at is thought of a parent, having sex with their own child. And some here have agreed with my second post on that. That is where it should have ended, but, people read way more into my first reply in this thread and developed whatever thoughts about my one word, that they wanted to and essentially told me I was wrong for that. My initial post wasn't intended to cause discussion. It was intended to show how I, personally, felt about the situation. Period. My reply of "ewwww" has no bearing on anything else. Especially with regards to laws or whether or not it's right. I didn't write the laws, whether or not I agree with them or think they will be effective. I didn't say I agreed with jail time. I simply said "ewww". Where everyone is getting more out of that one word, is beyond me. I have not judged anyone here for having a differing of opinion. I have also not read anymore into anyone else's post than what they intended. Try to have the same consideration for mine.

If you want to have a meaningful discussion with me about the DNA or the health issues that stem as a result of incest, great. I'm all for that. But I really don't appreciate people making up crap out of thin air over one freaking word and assuming I'm talking about the laws, or gay sex or comparing me to what a theist thinks about gay sex or essentially relaying the opinion that because I said "ewwww", that I must be making some sort of an argument. Stahp with that mess. Sticking ideas and thoughts in people's posts when they didn't write those thoughts and ideas to begin with, is really, bad form. That goes for everyone. Not just one person.