Iran is a weird fucking place...

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No country "invented" human rights or the right to work for all humans. That has been a concept since the dawn of humanity. The problem is, religion and laws derived from religion suppressed women. Now, think about that before you make some random claim that a Muslim country "invented" the right to work. I will concede that Iraq was once a very advanced country, but I do believe that was before the "invention" of Islam.

What are you talking about??? What about the slave trades the Europeans were conducting. While African tribes are being hunted down in their homeland Africa, they were treated with respect and gratitude in the Muslim nations.

Also, if you study history you would find that there was indeed a nation that invented human rights and was ahead of its time compared to the nations in Europe.

I will not argue that being adopted is often hard for people to come to terms with. However, that has nothing to do with the merit of a society, which was the initial point you were trying to make. If you can produce concrete statistics that say adopted kids commit more crimes and that there are more adopted kids in the U.S. than anywhere else, then I might say this point has a place in this discussion. For now, it really does not.

Its logic, however a simple google search can bring up news article on such studies:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...crime.html
http://www.newser.com/story/85412/after-...raits.html

and finally this site should have loads of stats
http://www.marriagedebate.com/up.php

She is my sister, so no, I will not tell you more about her. I will say that being divorced is no different from being a single mother or father in many cases. Child support is irrelevant, given the fact that, married or not, women get child support for children when the father is alive and able to be found. Loans are irrelevant as well, given that they are loans and not welfare. Single women, divorced women and women without children can all get these kinds of loans.

But sometimes the father is alive and denys the child is theirs, or the mother doesn't know who the child is (one-night stand), or she was drunk when the incident happened. Teenage pregnancy is a huge problem in US and the western nations.

Now speaking of the loans, the reason I asked is because that is the only way I can see a young single parent being able to afford living costs for their children while going to school with no help of child-support from the father. Divorced children at least get support from both parents, illegitimate do not. Do you get me? And so when a mother goes for a loan that is extra burden on her now...and some mothers are strong and can do it, but the sad truth is some can't and need the support of their own parents. This in turn becomes a burden on them because they have to cut back on their retirement fund just so their grandchild can grow up without being malnourished. It triggers anger and depression throughout the whole family. This can be solved by marriage or some form of contract so both parties take responsibility on whatever outcome.

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Now in the case of illegitimate children, majority are born to a young mother who either doesn't know who the father is or the father denies the child is his.

There you go again, with another stupidly ignorant statement. That is simply not the case in my country.

(1) a putative father may be required to under go DNA testing which gives a result of 98%+ accuracy and is accepted by the courts..

(2) By law,a woman claiming a single parent pension MUST claim child support from the father. A claim of "I don't know who the father is " will seldom be accepted. Again partly because of DNA testing.

(3) The majority of single mothers are over 25 years.

How do I know these things for a fact? Well as it turns out,I worked for our federal department of Social Security for over 25 years. I actually made decisions about payment of a range of payments,including the single parent pension.


Your continuing insistence on making ignorant generalizations makes you appear closed minded and rather stupid.

Sorry, I'm bored with you now.

1. How often does this happen in practice. DNA tests takes months, what does the mother do in the meantime? Who is paying for these DNA tests? The taxpayers? Because if that is the case, then it reassures my point that illegitimate children are a burden on the whole society.

2. If such claims are seldom to be accepted, then your statistics are skewed!???? Those mothers wouldn't submit an application in the first place. Its kind of like the CPI numbers that the government puts out every month. They pick and choose what goes into the CPI so they are overly-optimistic which in turn gives the federal reserve good enough reasons to monetize the nation's heavy debt.

3. Do you mean the majority of YOUR pension-recipients are over the age of 25. See point 2.

Talk to average citizens, business owners in your neighborhood and ask them if funding the federal department of Social Security is a good enough justification for paying high taxes.