The real religion?

[LadyForCamus]

It comes down to this, Steve:  your "metaphysical" claims are either subject to scrutiny or not.  If they aren't, then the discussion is over.  It all comes down to faith.  /thread.  If you think that they are, and you enter what you believe to be "good evidence" for this claim into the discussion, then be prepared to have that evidence critiqued for quality in the same way we would critique any other worldly claim.

The question of whether we should believe someone who says they have a relationship with God is not a metaphysical claim either. You still are failing to answer the simple question of why we shouldn't take a billion people's word for it that they have a relationship with God and therefore evidence for God? I have shown that your last answer "because it can't be scientifically proven" was not a good answer. If your answer is now something like: there is no other evidence for God, then you reasoning is circular. While I think there is certainly other evidence for God, it only serves to strengthen the hypothesis that if a billion people have a relationship with God, then God exists but is not necessary for it. 

Sure, and why bother looking it up, right?  Afraid you'll learn something that might cast a different light on your dedication to personal testimony?  Typical willful ignorance...


I'm sorry; did I stutter?  

1. Never claimed "science is the only source of knowledge."  

2. Never claimed "God is false because you can't study him in a lab."  Also, I'm not sure what that means.

3. I am not providing you with reasons God doesn't exist.

YOU made a claim - 'God exists, and people experience a personal relationship with him.'

You provided what you think is "evidence" for your claim.  I'm saying your evidence sucks; it's not evidence.  I provided you with factual reasons why the evidence sucks.  Therefore you have not adequately made a case for the claim.

I did not make the claim 'God exists, and people experience a personal relationship with him.' I have asked over and over why if a billion people claim to have a relationship with God, why is that not evidence for God? Big difference. I have no claim to defend because I do not have any premises in dispute. You continue to claim that one does not follow from the other yet I still have yet to get a good answer to support your claim. 

You are strawmanning the shit out of me.  See above.


THIS IS A CLAIM.   NOT evidence.   face palm*

I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone.

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This is a different subject that I address in another post.

You are talking yourself in circles and playing a poorly-disguised semantics game. I'm not going to waste the rest of the day repeating myself to you 100 different ways. We have patiently explained to you over and over why testimonials are no good. There is nothing left to say except...

...you AREN'T claiming a God exists and that people experience a personal relationship with him? Good, then it looks like we are on the same page. I'm glad you finally came to your senses. Have a nice day! [emoji106]