(August 12, 2016 at 12:35 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:(August 12, 2016 at 12:27 pm)SteveII Wrote: The question of whether we should believe someone who says they have a relationship with God is not a metaphysical claim either. You still are failing to answer the simple question of why we shouldn't take a billion people's word for it that they have a relationship with God and therefore evidence for God? I have shown that your last answer "because it can't be scientifically proven" was not a good answer. If your answer is now something like: there is no other evidence for God, then you reasoning is circular. While I think there is certainly other evidence for God, it only serves to strengthen the hypothesis that if a billion people have a relationship with God, then God exists but is not necessary for it.
I did not make the claim 'God exists, and people experience a personal relationship with him.' I have asked over and over why if a billion people claim to have a relationship with God, why is that not evidence for God? Big difference. I have no claim to defend because I do not have any premises in dispute. You continue to claim that one does not follow from the other yet I still have yet to get a good answer to support your claim.
This is a different subject that I address in another post.
You are talking yourself in circles and playing a poorly-disguised semantics game. I'm not going to waste the rest of the day repeating myself to you 100 different ways. We have patiently explained to you over and over why testimonials are no good. There is nothing left to say except...
...you AREN'T claiming a God exists and that people experience a personal relationship with him? Good, then it looks like we are on the same page. I'm glad you finally came to your senses. Have a nice day! [emoji106]
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Sorry that we are not understanding each other. I enjoyed the discussion. Have a good weekend.
