(August 16, 2016 at 11:30 am)SteveII Wrote:(August 16, 2016 at 10:17 am)bennyboy Wrote: And what year, exactly, are those letters dated? What's "just a few years" and how do you know, exactly?
You'd think if a dude was walking on freaking water, healing crowds of sick people, and doing water-to-wine party tricks, the Roman literature would be FULL FULL FULL of mention of him. Instead, he's pretty much completely absent except by those who formed his church decades after his supposed death.
Are you sure the document evidence is as solid as you think it is? Cuz I'm pretty sure it's not.
If you want to know the dates of 27 different documents, look them up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_the_Bible
So, your reason why my belief is 'laughable' is...what? There would have been more surviving Roman literature on what happened in Palestine during the life of Jesus? That is the criteria for laughable??? You're sure the evidence of the NT is not solid, yet...nothing of substance has been forthcoming.
Why are you quoting me, and then straw-manning the word "laughable"?
See, here's the thing you don't get. We aren't Christian. If you want us to believe what you believe, then you'll have to demonstrate that it's worth adopting your beliefs. Quoting fantastical tales from 2000 years ago won't do this, unless you can provide a great deal of convergent evidence. You really have none at all, so far as I know.
What about the fantastical tales of ancient Babylonians, Egyptions or Romans? They are MUCH better documented, and by many more sources, than the Bible. Should I demand that you disprove the existence of Ra, or Zeus, or whatever?
See, literally whatever you say, whatever historical or logical argument, requires special pleading. You must allow very liberal (i.e. low) standards of evidence to stand as meaningful, but deny the same (or even better) standard of evidence for many other world views and belief systems.
The problem is, non-Christians will not entertain your special pleading. They will, instead, ask you for evidence compelling enough TO THEM to make it worth adopting your ideas. Which, in this case, they know you cannot. Thus the word salad.