(August 16, 2016 at 9:08 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: It's also amusing to me, that people are asking for evidence over the internet, and then deny any type of evidence, that could possibly be presented over the internet.
We're not denying anything. What we're saying is that there needs to be something that corroborates the claim.
Appeals to popularity and tradition don't fit the bill. That a religion formed due to a particular prophet's rise and fall doesn't speak to the truth of his divine nature. Again, these people had a vested interest in keeping their cult going. Whether it was because they were true believers, people who simply recognized the practical benefits of starting and keeping a revolution going, or some combination thereof doesn't really matter.*
Keep in mind, this happens every time Steve gets cornered. He regurgitates WLC and Plantinga, then when that fails he falls back to the tired "These guys wouldn't perpetuate a lie (why not?) and look at how many people believe, and believed back then (so what?), and why don't you disprove this unfalsifiable thing (utterly illogical)?"
I mean, for all the shit Randy got (and deservedly so), he at least attempted to bring documents other than the NT and philosophical masturbation to the party.
*Note that I accept that there's an incredibly remote chance that Jesus actually is the real messiah and performed a myriad of miracles. The thing is, as a skeptic, I need to weigh that possibility against what I know of reality. And what I know is that people don't come back to life after being dead for a few days. They cannot heal others simply by laying hands upon them and demanding that the illness (or devil) leave. They cannot walk upon water, nor alter/add to its chemical makeup simply on a whim. And I cannot take the accounts of people trying to create/market a religion who say such things actually happened at face value. And no, these impossible things aren't credible because of their impossibleness.
I await something convincing. So far I've merely seen semantics and fallacies.
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