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Free Will
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RE: Free Will
(August 20, 2016 at 11:20 pm)Jesster Wrote:
(August 20, 2016 at 11:17 pm)fdesilva Wrote: Pleasure without love is a waste of time

Thank you for your baseless assertion that doesn't answer the question anyway.

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I was not answering a question, it was a comment on the lyrics of a song

(August 20, 2016 at 11:30 pm)ScienceAf Wrote:
(August 20, 2016 at 8:29 pm)fdesilva Wrote: Consider the following
P1. The universe is a 4Dimensional object (1D of time 3D of space)
P2. The universe is expanding.
c1 The expansion of the universe means that its 4 Dimensional shape is flexible.
c2 True Free will is possible by changing the shape of a part of the universe. In doing so you change not only the future but also the past.

If you imagine all the particles of the universe at this instance then their state will determine the next. This is the determinism. Here is what changing the shape would mean. Imagine the particles at a given instance. Now if you were to plot the motion of these particles over time they would be like strings across space and time. Like a 4-dimensional spider web.
What if you pulled on one of these strings? Pulling it would mean changing its position across time and space. In other words, Free Will is possible at a given instant but doing so will also mean you change the past as well as the future.

Lol, the universe ain't 4D even though there are other dimensions, just not in this universe. There are only 1D, 2D, and 3Ds in this universe.

1D might possibly be quarks or preons, 2D is the thickness or graphine, and 3D is well...Three D

The universe is expanding (at least we think)

If the universe was 4D you can't flex the shape just because it's expanding without energy.

You can't affect time in a 4D universe, just go through it back and forth (maybe up and down but idk)

If you "imagine" that doesn't make it true.

Yes every current state determines the next but not before. The butterfly effect.

You can't change the universe's shape.
String Theory is mostly a hypothesis and not yet proven but has some evidence to back it up.
4D beings would live through time and see what they want to do, thus what they wanted has happens or will happen.

Get rekt.
spacetime is 4D have a read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime
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Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 19, 2016 at 10:35 am
RE: Free Will - by Jesster - August 19, 2016 at 10:48 am
RE: Free Will - by deleteduser12345 - August 21, 2016 at 4:20 am
RE: Free Will - by Jesster - August 21, 2016 at 4:26 am
RE: Free Will - by deleteduser12345 - August 21, 2016 at 4:33 am
RE: Free Will - by rado84 - August 19, 2016 at 10:54 am
RE: Free Will - by purplepurpose - August 19, 2016 at 10:58 am
RE: Free Will - by FatAndFaithless - August 19, 2016 at 11:01 am
RE: Free Will - by Sterben - August 19, 2016 at 9:45 pm
RE: Free Will - by fdesilva - August 20, 2016 at 8:29 pm
RE: Free Will - by ScienceAf - August 20, 2016 at 11:30 pm
RE: Free Will - by deleteduser12345 - August 21, 2016 at 3:59 am
RE: Free Will - by Whateverist - August 20, 2016 at 8:31 pm
RE: Free Will - by fdesilva - August 20, 2016 at 10:05 pm
RE: Free Will - by Whateverist - August 20, 2016 at 10:08 pm
RE: Free Will - by Jesster - August 20, 2016 at 10:15 pm
RE: Free Will - by fdesilva - August 20, 2016 at 10:46 pm
RE: Free Will - by Jesster - August 20, 2016 at 10:52 pm
RE: Free Will - by fdesilva - August 20, 2016 at 11:17 pm
RE: Free Will - by Jesster - August 20, 2016 at 11:20 pm
RE: Free Will - by fdesilva - August 20, 2016 at 11:48 pm
RE: Free Will - by ScienceAf - August 21, 2016 at 12:04 am
RE: Free Will - by fdesilva - August 21, 2016 at 12:32 am
RE: Free Will - by ScienceAf - August 21, 2016 at 12:41 am
RE: Free Will - by Arkilogue - August 21, 2016 at 12:46 am
RE: Free Will - by ScienceAf - August 21, 2016 at 12:53 am
RE: Free Will - by Arkilogue - August 21, 2016 at 12:56 am
RE: Free Will - by ScienceAf - August 21, 2016 at 1:00 am
RE: Free Will - by Arkilogue - August 21, 2016 at 1:13 am
RE: Free Will - by Arkilogue - August 20, 2016 at 8:40 pm
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 20, 2016 at 11:38 pm
RE: Free Will - by Gemini - August 21, 2016 at 6:04 am
RE: Free Will - by Arkilogue - August 20, 2016 at 11:48 pm
RE: Free Will - by Paraselene - August 21, 2016 at 12:06 am
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 21, 2016 at 12:50 am
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RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 21, 2016 at 12:52 am
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 21, 2016 at 6:14 am
RE: Free Will - by Gemini - August 21, 2016 at 6:22 am
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 21, 2016 at 7:33 am
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 6:24 am
RE: Free Will - by Grandizer - August 21, 2016 at 6:31 am
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 6:58 am
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 21, 2016 at 9:57 am
RE: Free Will - by Grandizer - August 21, 2016 at 10:16 am
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 21, 2016 at 9:54 am
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 21, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: Free Will - by Grandizer - August 21, 2016 at 10:48 am
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 10:55 am
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 21, 2016 at 11:32 am
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 11:34 am
RE: Free Will - by deleteduser12345 - August 21, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 1:59 pm
RE: Free Will - by Whateverist - August 21, 2016 at 12:42 pm
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2016 at 1:35 pm
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 1:58 pm
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2016 at 1:58 pm
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 2:01 pm
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2016 at 2:07 pm
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 2:20 pm
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2016 at 2:15 pm
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 2:27 pm
RE: Free Will - by Arkilogue - August 21, 2016 at 2:20 pm
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 2:22 pm
RE: Free Will - by Arkilogue - August 21, 2016 at 2:35 pm
RE: Free Will - by Arkilogue - August 21, 2016 at 2:26 pm
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 2:27 pm
RE: Free Will - by Arkilogue - August 21, 2016 at 2:41 pm
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2016 at 2:35 pm
Free Will - by LadyForCamus - August 21, 2016 at 8:24 pm
RE: Free Will - by Gemini - August 22, 2016 at 7:19 am
RE: Free Will - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 21, 2016 at 8:32 pm
RE: Free Will - by Whateverist - August 30, 2016 at 7:05 pm
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 22, 2016 at 7:33 am
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 22, 2016 at 7:33 am
RE: Free Will - by Panatheist - August 30, 2016 at 6:59 pm
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - August 30, 2016 at 7:08 pm
RE: Free Will - by Panatheist - August 31, 2016 at 12:06 pm
RE: Free Will - by Yoo - September 1, 2016 at 5:28 am
RE: Free Will - by Panatheist - September 1, 2016 at 7:37 am
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - September 1, 2016 at 8:03 am
RE: Free Will - by Panatheist - September 1, 2016 at 9:55 am
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - September 1, 2016 at 10:09 am
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - September 1, 2016 at 8:02 am
RE: Free Will - by Yoo - September 1, 2016 at 8:36 am
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - September 1, 2016 at 9:11 am
RE: Free Will - by Yoo - September 1, 2016 at 9:39 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - August 30, 2016 at 7:20 pm
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - August 30, 2016 at 7:27 pm
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - August 30, 2016 at 7:29 pm
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 9:26 am
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - September 1, 2016 at 10:02 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 9:45 am
RE: Free Will - by Yoo - September 1, 2016 at 9:58 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 10:02 am
RE: Free Will - by Yoo - September 1, 2016 at 10:12 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 10:10 am
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - September 1, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 10:14 am
RE: Free Will - by Yoo - September 1, 2016 at 10:21 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 10:24 am
RE: Free Will - by Yoo - September 1, 2016 at 10:35 am
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - September 1, 2016 at 10:37 am
RE: Free Will - by Angrboda - September 1, 2016 at 1:06 pm
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 10:33 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 10:35 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 10:37 am
RE: Free Will - by Yoo - September 1, 2016 at 10:42 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 10:46 am
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - September 1, 2016 at 12:33 pm
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 10:50 am
RE: Free Will - by Yoo - September 1, 2016 at 10:55 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 12:36 pm

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