RE: Trouble dealing with family about my unbelief
May 17, 2011 at 10:35 am
(This post was last modified: May 17, 2011 at 10:40 am by Zenith.)
(May 13, 2011 at 2:17 pm)everythingafter Wrote:Sorry for getting into your and tackattack's conversation. I've seen that he didn't reply so far, so I thought about saying my views about what you said:(May 11, 2011 at 8:56 pm)tackattack Wrote: Frankly, I find understanding through faith to be in a large part about timing. Perhaps you had never had God reveal anything to you as you are supposing.
My problem is why does a person have to ask for God to reveal something to him for years with no answer? What would such a revelation be like? A thought that I think might have come from God? A feeling in my heart? An audible voice? Most adamant believers don't even claim to have heard something so concrete. So why is such a revelation of his truthfulness apparently so hard to perceive, even for someone who wants to believe?
- If you'll ever ask God to show you that He exists, He will never do it - things like "God, if you exist, please make X happen, so I'll believe!" (well, I didn't try it forever, but from my attempts, it didn't work. The same I've heard from others). It seems to have something to do with Hebrews 11.6.
- if you'll ever ask God to show you something, only to please your hunger for supernatural, it will most surely never happen.
- If you speak about "answer" (in the meaning of, grant a request), then it may be in different way, depending what you request. For instance, just as an example, if you request to be more humble, because you seem to always be too conceited and arrogant, then, if God decides to help you in this matter, you may get to live through a lot of problems and suffer humiliation and other awful feelings, until you finally become as you requested (i.e. certain experiences can change you in certain ways).
- If you speak about a "revelation", i.e. to show you something, that might be a dream, from where to learn something important (important for you). Rule of thumb: if you see Jesus in your dream, and He tells you "Hi! whattup?" and then you fly on a broom, then it was your brain playing while you were sleeping. If God would reveal anything to a man in a dream, it would be something important, like making him understand something he couldn't otherwise (i.e. learning something), and never to convince him that He exists, or to feed his hunger for supernatural. But, if you are Moses, then you can expect God to appear personally to you, while you're awake, and to talk to you face to face.
Quote:Evidence, as a material or a mathematical solution or something, cannot be found to prove the existence of God. If God exists and a man can get to find that out, it can only be through reasoning. My opinion.(May 11, 2011 at 8:56 pm)tackattack Wrote: I can understand that you personally see no evidence for God, but are/were you looking?
I'm not sure what you're asking. I already said I was looking, or at least I was at one time.
Perhaps tackattack meant if you sought on internet answers/reasons for the existence of God.
Quote:I don't believe that it's God erring in this situation. I mean, as long as man has free will (i.e. is free to do what he wants: to obey God or disobey Him), disobedience can anytime happen. So I see that the only possible way for God to have creatures with free will, comes with the side-effect of some creatures disobeying (and if there must be other creatures that are born from the first, which implies inheritance, and the first does evil - which changes him - then all his descendants would resemble him). As about "divinity" or "perfectness", I don't know what exactly should mean. If you mean that "God should not have created something bad", then I guess the answer is that the man was not created bad (i.e. built wicked, for doing evil). And I don't see why God should be forbidden to create creatures with free will.(May 12, 2011 at 8:14 pm)Zenith Wrote: Perhaps He was following a higher objective. If He knew that He could have sent His son later in order to fix things, then the creation of man would have worthed it.
But wouldn't the very need to "fix things" imply that God erred on the first plan? This, it seems to me, would negate his divinity.