RE: Why can't Christians Verify Exactly Where Jesus Was Buried?
September 5, 2016 at 5:42 am
(This post was last modified: September 5, 2016 at 6:06 am by Pat Mustard.)
(September 3, 2016 at 11:37 pm)Aractus Wrote:(September 3, 2016 at 1:35 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: First of all the Ned Kelly analogy doesn't work because we know Kelly was a real man, we have no idea whether Yeshua bar Yosef ever existed.
Yes we do, there's scholarly consensus on that.
The consensus of biblical scholars is as valuable as the consensus of creatards. It is based on taking a prior assumption as if it were proven true. There is no evidence given for the existence of Yeshua outside of the bible and a few insertions by later christian scholars into non christian documents. When your side has to fake evidence of x being real, then any consensus that x is real is already on shaky ground.
And frankly I'm not convinced either way on Yeshua, there is too little evidence there for to say, definitively, yay or nay. But I'm pretty convinced that if there were a real Yeshua, instead of being the genesis of the christian religion, he was probably a proto-zealot, being leader of a small (possibly violent) anti-Roman group who wanted to restore the theocratic kingdom of Jewish legend.
Edit: As regards the writings, I wasn't talking about the dates of their provenance (because that is an estimate), I was talking about the earliest date we have for a substantial part of a single christian document from the new testament (or other similar documents rejected by orthodoxy). The oldest example of a largely complete document is a copy of Luke dated to c.200CE. We have older fragments, but they are little better than a small part of a leaf containing word and sentence fragments. Either you misunderstood me, or you deliberately misconstrued me in an attempt to make me look bad. Given your track record my money's on the latter.
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