RE: Nihilism
May 18, 2011 at 2:44 pm
(This post was last modified: May 18, 2011 at 2:55 pm by Violet.)
(May 18, 2011 at 2:30 pm)tesseract7d Wrote: Nihilism assumes that everything is subjective. I don't necessarily accept this assumption, but if I thought everything was subjective, I would choose a world view that's a little bit more cheerful than nihilism. But, whatever, to each his own. It neither breaks my arm nor picks my pocket.
Not entirely accurate, though it is a point of subjectivism. 'Nothing holds inherent meaning' is not the same as 'there is no objective state'. And there is an objective state... but there is no practical use for identifying this (like if an ant saw a hill, TV, fire, alien, queen ant, very large ant, refrigerator, pony, pornography magazine, and palm tree at once in the same 'spot', not to mention the 5D nonsense).
(May 18, 2011 at 2:40 pm)Nimzo Wrote:(May 18, 2011 at 2:34 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: And yet it has worth to me and meaning to me, therefore it is neither worthless or meaningless (As it possess both worth and meaning).That is a non-sequitur. Just because nihilism is valuable and has purpose to you, does not mean that it actually has value or purpose.
"Actually"? And precisely what is 'actual'?
It is necessarily true that if a hill is green it is green. It is not green to the colorblind, it is not green to those that can't see green, it is not green to anything without eyes, it is not green to the person wearing orange sunglasses... the hill is also grey, red/blue, not there, and orange tinted. Don't put a non-sequiter title on the tautological... it makes you look really silly
Quote:Quote:And if it did have no meaning, then what precisely would you be on about?I am referring to existential meaning, not semantic meaning (i.e. propositional content).
You cannot relate any meaning without use of some form of language (spoken or not)... nor can you describe it to yourself without a chemical language in your brain and a memory of some form alongside. Meaning is necessarily semantic (all of it). You can't talk about that which has no meaning, as first you would have had to give it meaning.
Quote:Quote:And worth/value is individual or compromised by a group of individuals...That is just equivalent to "nihilism is true", since nihilism just is the view that all notions of value and purpose are at most intersubjective.
Then nihilism is true, if you consider the statement of worth/value to be true
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day