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Problem dealing with death as an atheist
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist
(May 19, 2011 at 1:45 am)Girlysprite Wrote:
(May 19, 2011 at 12:03 am)Whirling Moat Wrote: So let us say that it was now possible to transfer all of a recently deceased individual's memories into an electronic device, and upload these memories into a cloned human form which was raised into adulthood entirely unconscious, would you propose that once the clone was awakened with the new memories it would be the dead person raised back to life? The same person? Not a facsimile...

Whirling Moat

I think that you would actually find a lot of different answers from different persons on that. Let's ramp it up a bit: Familiar with the alias problem? Let's say you clone a person, and just before it wakes up you also copy the memories from the 'original'. Clone wakes up. Original is still alive.
Are they both the same person?


I have heard both sides to this argument and I tend to agree with the position which holds that ithe Quale of an individual is nontransferable or reproducible. I think contemplation alone will bring any reasonable person to the conclusion that another body with your memories will not somehow transfer consciousness which is highly subjective and local to another being.

I doubt that the clone with the memories would even function for long with implanted memories...I would argue that there is a difference in recalling something and remembering it..When you remember something you can revisit it and reconnect to the experience..An old song, perfume, place all bring forward memory and actual sensations. The clone would not have these feelings, I am sure this new being would experience qualia in its own way.



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Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Cynical8 - March 4, 2011 at 9:41 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by theVOID - March 4, 2011 at 11:43 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by theVOID - March 5, 2011 at 11:56 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Ateo - March 6, 2011 at 3:13 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Thor - March 7, 2011 at 12:55 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Thor - March 7, 2011 at 6:23 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Shell B - March 7, 2011 at 11:43 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Jax - March 12, 2011 at 6:05 am
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Cinjin - April 12, 2011 at 11:35 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - March 10, 2011 at 1:49 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by jason56 - March 15, 2011 at 8:38 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 9, 2011 at 11:50 am
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 11, 2011 at 3:25 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 17, 2011 at 8:36 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 19, 2011 at 6:55 am
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 17, 2011 at 6:02 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Carnavon - April 19, 2011 at 10:09 am
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 25, 2011 at 5:17 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Skipper - April 11, 2011 at 4:43 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 11, 2011 at 5:20 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 11, 2011 at 6:08 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Thor - April 14, 2011 at 12:52 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by bozo - April 14, 2011 at 3:12 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 11, 2011 at 5:35 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Cinjin - April 11, 2011 at 4:01 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 12, 2011 at 1:41 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 17, 2011 at 5:01 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by bozo - April 13, 2011 at 5:09 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Frosty - April 14, 2011 at 9:52 am
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by JohnDG - April 17, 2011 at 6:15 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Cinjin - April 20, 2011 at 1:52 am
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 25, 2011 at 6:47 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by ilikeMe - April 21, 2011 at 1:16 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by BethK - June 10, 2011 at 10:51 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by bozo - May 12, 2011 at 7:46 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Whirling Moat - May 19, 2011 at 8:00 am
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by BethK - June 10, 2011 at 11:58 pm

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