(September 9, 2016 at 4:20 am)Aractus Wrote:(September 8, 2016 at 12:09 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Are you being deliberately obtuse? You're assuming the evidentiary value of the writing you're citing, which is wholly insufficient for the claim under discussion. To answer this question -- have you not heard of archaeology? Societies leave behind a lot of physical evidence for their cultural beliefs and mores.
Without ancient writing, archaeological finds are much more difficult to evaluate meaning from. This is why we debate the function of the Pyramids for example, and wouldn't you know it arrive at a scholarly consensus on that. Again you are deliberately creating a false dichotomy as any decent archaeologist is a scholar of ancient literature as well - like Israel Finkelstein.
So, what archaeology do you have for Jesus, to support these writings you're plumping so hard?
That's right -- none. You're trying to suborn my point even as you cannot meet its standards.
And furthermore, archaeological evidence, even in the absence of writing, can give much insight into the cultural practices of a society. More difficult? No doubt. More reliable than a puzzle-book put together a few hundred years after the fact? Even more certain.
(September 8, 2016 at 12:09 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Say, next week can we debate the existence of Beren and Luthien? I'm sure they existed, because Tolkien wrote about them. And writing is evidence!
(September 9, 2016 at 4:20 am)Aractus Wrote: AGAIN you are using a false dichotomy. A straw man argument. The writings of Shakespeare are, according to Scholars, hard evidence for the historicity of William Shakespeare.
In the context of this thread, your comparison is weak, because we know where the guy's buried. If we wanted, we could go dig up his bones.
Probably has something to do with the absence of a story about resurrection and ascension. I'm told those details make it harder to nail a man down in place and time.
You've got a pretty big circular argument going on here. Let me not interrupt your cycle any more.