My only problem with Hurtado is that he seeks to define the problem according to his own bias. This is a common failing of theologians. He's hardly alone.
https://larryhurtado.wordpress.com/2011/...d-premise/
He cannot escape the trap of asserting from the outset that there was any such person. Personally, and here is where I think Carrier nails it, until you can demonstrate that jesus is more than a later literary creation the "jesus said this" and "jesus said that" shit is meaningless. Carrier carefully examined the evidence and found it wanting. As Ehrman notes in the video, this stuff has been heavily edited and augmented: Scholars agree that the first two chapters of "luke" are add-ons and it should start at Chapter III. Oddly, or perhaps not so oddly, this is exactly where Marcion started it.
Weird, huh?
https://larryhurtado.wordpress.com/2011/...d-premise/
Quote: Why should a difference between what Jesus taught about himself and what believers subsequently came to assert about him be a problem?
He cannot escape the trap of asserting from the outset that there was any such person. Personally, and here is where I think Carrier nails it, until you can demonstrate that jesus is more than a later literary creation the "jesus said this" and "jesus said that" shit is meaningless. Carrier carefully examined the evidence and found it wanting. As Ehrman notes in the video, this stuff has been heavily edited and augmented: Scholars agree that the first two chapters of "luke" are add-ons and it should start at Chapter III. Oddly, or perhaps not so oddly, this is exactly where Marcion started it.
Weird, huh?
