(September 12, 2016 at 7:05 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(September 12, 2016 at 4:11 am)Little Rik Wrote: Wrong again yog.![]()
You didn't bother to read the hundred of NDEs experiences.
Most of them talk about reincarnation and the fact that people have to sort out their own problems BEFORE they can gain access to the sublime state.
By sorting out their own problems the karma is involved and reincarnation is a must.
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...counts.htm
No, these NDEs are only proof that people had an experience. Karma and reincarnation are not required to have these experiences. You're really bad at this. What about the experiences these people have requires karma and reincarnation? And no the life flashing before ones eyes is not a prerequisite for other aspects of an NDE experience. You're making generalizations that just aren't true. Pick any two NDEs in which you think karma and reincarnation are a must and show that those experiences could not have simply been all a kind of dream. You're assuming that the experience is of something real. Making an assumption about NDEs is not providing evidence, it's assuming what you need to provide evidence for.
You know, with the frequency with which you get details wrong about NDEs, I don't believe you've read them yourself. You're just making generalizations based on what you've been told.
Wrong again yog.

I read not few of these NDEs but many hundreds and 99% of them follow the same path.
They all indicate that God is real and immortality is a reality.
Now by saying that immortality is a reality automatically is obvious that we have to go through
so many lives in order to gain the perfection.
Take just one of these NDE.
Take Howard Storm ex strong atheist that now is a strong theist and read carefully his experience.
I just take a small part of his experience.
There was a great center of brilliance. In the center there was an enormously bright concentration. Outside the center countless millions of spheres of light were flying about entering and leaving what was a great being-ness at the center. It was off in the distance. Then I ... I didn't say it, I thought it. I said, "Put me back."
What I meant by telling the light to put me back, was to put me back into the pit. I was so ashamed of who I was, and what I had been all of my life, that all I wanted to do was hide in the darkness. I didn't want to go toward the light anymore - I did; yet I didn't. How many times in my life had I denied and scoffed at the reality before me, and how many thousands of times had I used it as a curse. What incredible intellectual arrogance to use the name as an insult. I was afraid to go closer. I was also aware that the incredible intensity of the emanations might disintegrate what I still experienced as my intact physical body. The being who was supporting me, my friend, was aware of my fear and reluctance and shame. For the first time he spoke to my mind in a male voice and told me that if I was uncomfortable we didn't have to go closer. So we stopped where we were, still countless miles away from the Great being.
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/no...storm.html
I don't think you understand the meaning so I will explain it to you.
Howard realize that God is far too great for him to get close to this immense reality.
From this we can only deduce that to be able to get close to God and merge in that reality we must first
clean up our consciousness and in order to do this we must live again as human being until we learn
everything that need to be learn.
This include to be reincarnate because one life may not be enough to reach the top.
You see yog?
Without the need to mention the word reincarnation Howard and most other people who had an NDE let us know that reincarnation is a must and karma is the force that drive this or these reincarnation.
