Question's for God.

[Angrboda]

NDEs tell us squat about karma and reincarnation.  Veridical NDEs suggest that we can have out of body experiences.  That's all they suggest.  The rest is reading into the evidence what you want to see, so no you don't have any evidence for karma or reincarnation.   Do you have any actual evidence for karma and / or reincarnation?

Wrong again yog.  
You didn't bother to read the hundred of NDEs experiences.
Most of them talk about reincarnation and the fact that people have to sort out their own problems BEFORE they can gain access to the sublime state.
By sorting out their own problems the karma is involved and reincarnation is a must.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...counts.htm

No, these NDEs are only proof that people had an experience. Karma and reincarnation are not required to have these experiences. You're really bad at this. What about the experiences these people have requires karma and reincarnation? And no the life flashing before ones eyes is not a prerequisite for other aspects of an NDE experience. You're making generalizations that just aren't true. Pick any two NDEs in which you think karma and reincarnation are a must and show that those experiences could not have simply been all a kind of dream. You're assuming that the experience is of something real. Making an assumption about NDEs is not providing evidence, it's assuming what you need to provide evidence for.

You know, with the frequency with which you get details wrong about NDEs, I don't believe you've read them yourself. You're just making generalizations based on what you've been told.

[bennyboy]

This is the problem with experience-- when you attempt to attribute experiences, and get the process wrong, you are left with little of value, and quite possibly delusion.

[Arkilogue]

I recognize what it's meant to be.

May I ask you what you follow or what you don't follow?  

I follow a path of inheritance laid out by the many son's and daughters of God before me. Most recently demonstrated by a being most people refer to now as Jesus Christ. I have sought and found the Kingdom of Heaven within me and all around me and my infinite joy is in sharing these findings.

I wrestle with God (ideas of God), angels (world paradigms) and humans (opinion) and I work out my own salvation with awe and respect. I work to out grow my skin everyday and I've shed many already. Sometimes I need to find something abrasive to help and that is why I'm here in this forum

I have also developed a yoga of light.

[ScienceAf]

Good point.
XD

Never concede a good point to that idiot.  
These folks go around the forum telling that the consciousness is a product of the brain
or backing up those who say so and come up with other fantasies as well.  

Hold up, science determines that without a brain you cannot think, without a brain (to a certain complexity) you are not conscious.  Dolphins, humans, monekys, elephants and a few other creatures are conscious, it's just that their limbs hold them very very very far back.

But using science I can conclude that you, my dear friend, lack a complex brain.

[Little Rik]

Never concede a good point to that idiot.  
These folks go around the forum telling that the consciousness is a product of the brain
or backing up those who say so and come up with other fantasies as well.  

Hold up, science determines that without a brain you cannot think, without a brain (to a certain complexity) you are not conscious.  Dolphins, humans, monekys, elephants and a few other creatures are conscious, it's just that their limbs hold them very very very far back.

But using science I can conclude that you, my dear friend, lack a complex brain.

As usual you draw conclusion too fast without analyze all important points.

As far as we are alive the consciousness is stuck in the brain so to speak that is why brain and consciousness need each other to think.
As soon as the body-brain die the consciousness is free from that bondage as already shown in the thousand of NDEs experiences and can experience higher state of consciousness than before when it was stuck into a body-brain.

Be careful boy.
In this forum there are people that like you judge without taking in consideration all important facts.
Science so far hasn't yet understood the relation between brain and consciousness but these folks
reckon that science is everything so like gullible and credulous ducks follow the bird seed to the boiling pot.

Wake up now before you too fall in the trap.  

[Little Rik]

May I ask you what you follow or what you don't follow?  

I follow a path of inheritance laid out by the many son's and daughters of God before me. Most recently demonstrated by a being most people refer to now as Jesus Christ. I have sought and found the Kingdom of Heaven within me and all around me and my infinite joy is in sharing these findings.

I wrestle with God (ideas of God), angels (world paradigms) and humans (opinion) and I work out my own salvation with awe and respect. I work to out grow my skin everyday and I've shed many already. Sometimes I need to find something abrasive to help and that is why I'm here in this forum

I have also developed a yoga of light.

Several people during their NDE experience ask the angels what is the best religion.
The answer was.....the best religion is the religion that get you closer to God........but most of those who had an NDE experience found that spirituality is the best of the best.
Many religions tell us that their religion is the best and God can only be found with them.
I would be very very careful to get stuck in this sort of dogmas but as far as you act with an open mind and with sincerity there shouldn't be any problem.

By the way what you mean with yoga of light?  

[Little Rik]

Wrong again yog.  
You didn't bother to read the hundred of NDEs experiences.
Most of them talk about reincarnation and the fact that people have to sort out their own problems BEFORE they can gain access to the sublime state.
By sorting out their own problems the karma is involved and reincarnation is a must.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...counts.htm

No, these NDEs are only proof that people had an experience.  Karma and reincarnation are not required to have these experiences.  You're really bad at this.  What about the experiences these people have requires karma and reincarnation?  And no the life flashing before ones eyes is not a prerequisite for other aspects of an NDE experience.  You're making generalizations that just aren't true.  Pick any two NDEs in which you think karma and reincarnation are a must and show that those experiences could not have simply been all a kind of dream.  You're assuming that the experience is of something real.  Making an assumption about NDEs is not providing evidence, it's assuming what you need to provide evidence for.

You know, with the frequency with which you get details wrong about NDEs, I don't believe you've read them yourself.  You're just making generalizations based on what you've been told.

Wrong again yog.  

I read not few of these NDEs but many hundreds and 99% of them follow the same path.
They all indicate that God is real and immortality is a reality.

Now by saying that immortality is a reality automatically is obvious that we have to go through
so many lives in order to gain the perfection.
Take just one of these NDE.
Take Howard Storm ex strong atheist that now is a strong theist and read carefully his experience.
I just take a small part of his experience.


There was a great center of brilliance. In the center there was an enormously bright concentration. Outside the center countless millions of spheres of light were flying about entering and leaving what was a great being-ness at the center. It was off in the distance. Then I ... I didn't say it, I thought it. I said, "Put me back."

What I meant by telling the light to put me back, was to put me back into the pit. I was so ashamed of who I was, and what I had been all of my life, that all I wanted to do was hide in the darkness. I didn't want to go toward the light anymore - I did; yet I didn't. How many times in my life had I denied and scoffed at the reality before me, and how many thousands of times had I used it as a curse. What incredible intellectual arrogance to use the name as an insult. I was afraid to go closer. I was also aware that the incredible intensity of the emanations might disintegrate what I still experienced as my intact physical body. The being who was supporting me, my friend, was aware of my fear and reluctance and shame. For the first time he spoke to my mind in a male voice and told me that if I was uncomfortable we didn't have to go closer. So we stopped where we were, still countless miles away from the Great being.


http://www.near-death.com/experiences/no...storm.html


I don't think you understand the meaning so I will explain it to you.
Howard realize that God is far too great for him to get close to this immense reality.
From this we can only deduce that to be able to get close to God and merge in that reality we must first
clean up our consciousness and in order to do this we must live again as human being until we learn
everything that need to be learn.
This include to be reincarnate  because one life may not be enough to reach the top.
You see yog?
Without the need to mention the word reincarnation Howard and most other people who had an NDE let us know that reincarnation is a must and karma is the force that drive this or these reincarnation.  

[Angrboda]

Without the need to mention the word reincarnation Howard and most other people who had an NDE let us know that reincarnation is a must and karma is the force that drive this or these reincarnation.  

You're a fruitcake if you think this shows anything but that Storm had a very intense experience. Last night I had a dream. I dreamt that I had broken the law. And I had gotten caught. Felony possession of stolen goods. I felt really bad about what I had done. When I woke up, I still felt bad. The mood of the dream followed me into reality. That's all these NDEs are is dreams following themselves into reality. You have no evidence that Howard Storm went anywhere, did anything, or interacted with anything. You're just assuming what you need to provide evidence for. In my life I have a mental illness. As part of this mental illness I have manic episodes where I get euphoric, angry, and hyper-intelligent. These are very intense experiences. They don't point to anything real. You are just assuming that these NDE experiences are of something real. But you have no evidence that they are of something real. None of these people died and were reincarnated, so these experiences tell us nothing about reincarnation. Howard Storm experienced a story that you believe is 'about' karma and reincarnation. An experience that tells about reincarnation and karma is just a story. It's no more persuasive than you telling me that these things exist. Anyone can have a story about them, it doesn't provide any evidence that they are real, anymore than someone having a dream about Jehovah proves that Jehovah is real. That I have to explain this simple point to you is incredibly pathetic. You have no clue what does and does not constitute evidence. NDEs do not constitute evidence that the story told reflects reality.

You truly deserve the title "No Evidence" Rik. You're just a crackpot who can't tell the difference between a story and reality. These NDEs provide no verifiable information about karma or reincarnation.

What is different about the stories told that couldn't equally as likely have come from a dream?

[ScienceAf]

Hold up, science determines that without a brain you cannot think, without a brain (to a certain complexity) you are not conscious.  Dolphins, humans, monekys, elephants and a few other creatures are conscious, it's just that their limbs hold them very very very far back.

But using science I can conclude that you, my dear friend, lack a complex brain.

As usual you draw conclusion too fast without analyze all important points.

As far as we are alive the consciousness is stuck in the brain so to speak that is why brain and consciousness need each other to think.
As soon as the body-brain die the consciousness is free from that bondage as already shown in the thousand of NDEs experiences and can experience higher state of consciousness than before when it was stuck into a body-brain.

Be careful boy.
In this forum there are people that like you judge without taking in consideration all important facts.
Science so far hasn't yet understood the relation between brain and consciousness but these folks
reckon that science is everything so like gullible and credulous ducks follow the bird seed to the boiling pot.

Wake up now before you too fall in the trap.  

How do you know that the brain holds the consciousness of a person? In the way that you said, that it's free when we die. And if it's free, how do we go to hell?

[Arkilogue]

I follow a path of inheritance laid out by the many son's and daughters of God before me. Most recently demonstrated by a being most people refer to now as Jesus Christ. I have sought and found the Kingdom of Heaven within me and all around me and my infinite joy is in sharing these findings.

I wrestle with God (ideas of God), angels (world paradigms) and humans (opinion) and I work out my own salvation with awe and respect. I work to out grow my skin everyday and I've shed many already. Sometimes I need to find something abrasive to help and that is why I'm here in this forum

I have also developed a yoga of light.

Several people during their NDE experience ask the angels what is the best religion.
The answer was.....the best religion is the religion that get you closer to God........but most of those who had an NDE experience found that spirituality is the best of the best.
Many religions tell us that their religion is the best and God can only be found with them.
I would be very very careful to get stuck in this sort of dogmas but as far as you act with an open mind and with sincerity there shouldn't be any problem.

By the way what you mean with yoga of light?  

I see the worlds religions as outer static forms of a fluent inner spirituality which is a growth process/relationship between the individual soul and God. They can help get the ball rolling like a small pot for a sprout but the plant, if tended properly, will out grow the pot. If it's left there too long and not planted in a larger pot or the soil of the earth, the plant will grow circular roots (root binding) that will choke the plant to death even after it's transplanted, unless they are cut off. So it is with the soul.

Yoga of light = Exercise of the mind for attaining unity awareness of parts. A conscientious practice of consciousness. It involves take the perspective of different shapes, motions, and reflective membranes that correspond to the numbers 1-10. I simply go through each number in order, becoming the orientation it describes and look out upon the universe as that shaping function.

As I reach 10, I center myself, made space and stillness within myself, oriented myself in 5d (easily explained), reflect upon my progression and projection, then I bring my attention back to my body and summon emotion like digging a well for water. From there I heat the water with my will and thoughts arise like clouds. I gather good vapors and heat them with my will again to generate passion and all the energy of intention to carry me through the day. All before I get out of bed in the morning.

I don't always complete it and sometimes I forget to do it but I usually make time for it sometime during the day...sometimes several times as I need/want to. But the more successful I am, the more information I have to work with = more choices = more volitional influence over the creation of my life.

What it's designed to do is highlight the individual parts and functions of the mind so as to gain volition and stopping/steering power over mental/emotional processing that is largely instantaneous and unconscious in most people most of the time, self included.

Non-volitional example: Person wakes up, they feel "groggy" and their first thought is to make some coffee. The body is motivated (eventually) to roll out of bed and stumble into the kitchen. They might as well still be dreaming.

While we're alive there will always be a background stimulus from the world in a variety of directions. But mainly it's the mode of thought itself that must be arrested and put into new volitional use. Through various trigger mechanisms we get railroaded into trains of thought/emotional consequence that travel like serpents and wind around as a 2d traveling line in psychic space. It is much easier to see in the dream state where your emotional train influences, drives and "creates" the dream world around you (until you learn to lucid dream).

In the waking world your emotional state drives the creation of your internal world. Gaining mastery over this is the handling of serpents. They're slick, strong, hard to get a hold of, most bite and some are poisonous....but don't be afraid, it's all you.

Instead of a winding around, uncontrolled (emotionally driven) 2d like state of mental travel, the change of that function is into a straight line of thought that you can aim in any direction and control the release of, while you are holding space as a sovereign entity with full dominion of all that is inside your kingdom of heaven. That's the goal anyway!

Practice, practice, practice