(September 16, 2016 at 2:08 pm)alpha male Wrote:(September 16, 2016 at 1:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: As for your second paragraph, I do care about my appearances.Why? Do you think you should be treated with more respect when your appearance is better? If not, why do you care about your appearance?
Quote:But that doesn't mean I think a woman wearing less clothing should be treated with less respect as a human being.It seems to indicate that you have a disconnect between what you claim to believe and what you actually believe.
Quote:There is no need for the 2 to be mutually exclusive.I agree. We can view people as having inherent worth as human beings, and yet recognize that there are good and bad choices in life and have greater respect for those who make good choices.
Try thinking about a different scenario - a person (male or female) with clothing/jewelry/tattoos of swastikas or other images associated with white supremacists. Would you treat them with as much respect as anyone else? I hope not. They shouldn't be encouraged. Would you never use the word racist "to seriously describe someone or the way someone is dressed"? I agree that such people have inherent worth as human beings, but their actions and beliefs, as implied by their appearance, have consequences. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that.
Quote:We can have a desire to present ourselves well, while still treating others with respect when they are not dressed in a way we approve of or don't like.
Why do you desire to present yourself "well"? You're admitting here that there are better and worse ways to present one's self, and that you prefer to present yourself in a better fashion. Why? It's at least partially because people think better of you for it.
Yes, everyone has worth as a human being, and no one's advocating that we show open contempt for people who dress in worse ways, but that doesn't mean it's wrong to give more respect to people who dress in better ways. You understand that, or you wouldn't be concerned about presenting yourself well.
Alphamale, it comes down to this... and I will refer back to your earlier post when you said you wouldn't encourage your daughters to dress in skimpy outfits.
Of course, teaching our children to present themselves well and dress appropriately for the occasion is a good thing. But if your daughter went out one night with a super short skirt on, or if your son went out in a tight, see-through wife beater.... would you say they should be treated as sexual objects, or as lesser humans than they otherwise would? I'm not saying whether or not it would inevitably happen in our fallen world, I'm asking whether or not you think it should.
If your answer is no, we are in agreement in regards to the OP's question in this thread, in the way he meant it. If not, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh