(September 18, 2016 at 6:59 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Giving to charities aren't sacrifice to me because it makes us feel good when we give to it.
Forcing someone to give to a charity when they didn't want to would be them self-sacrificing and would be immoral.
Chimp3's definition may have been too narrow but I think yours is too broad. It seems like you define mere generosity as self-sacrifice but generosity isn't truly "selfless", we're all selfish.
Quote:Forcing someone to give to a charity when they didn't want to would be them self-sacrificing and would be immoral.
No, that would be them being coerced into doing something. Self-sacrifice has to be voluntary.
Quote:Chimp3's definition may have been too narrow but I think yours is too broad. It seems like you define mere generosity as self-sacrifice but generosity isn't truly "selfless", we're all selfish.My definition happens to agree with the dictionary. Generosity is different from self-sacrifice, I am not conflating the two. Nothing is truly selfless, nor is anything truly selfish. That's a moot point.
We have different words to describe different things for a reason. So, to recap, self-sacrifice is distinct from generosity but similar to it.
(September 18, 2016 at 7:03 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:(September 18, 2016 at 6:56 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: There's nothing wrong with persuasion in itself. It's what you do with it that can become a problem.
True but a self-appointed "I know better than you because I think I am so I'm going to persuade you to do what I personally think is the right thing but I'm not going to tell you that I'm going to do that because that would affect my persuading you and I really want to subvert your own subjective values with my own because I'm an imposing prick" kind of persuasion ain't so great.
By the way if this seems rude I'd like to make it clear right now that I'm attempting to amuse so I really hope someone laughs at this post despite my unfunnycuntness.
It seems to me like you're constantly putting words in my mouth or shifting the goal posts of the conversation at the very least. That kind of discussion does not interest me.