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AW yes.... Gods love
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RE: AW yes.... Gods love
(May 25, 2011 at 5:34 am)FaithNoMore Wrote: I've hit rock bottom a few times in my life and managed to pull myself out from it without religion. Many people have tried to push it down my face and said I needed to get right with god and I told them that wasn't my problem. After many years of struggling I am better than ever, all without 'giving myself to god.' My point is that the fact that so many people need to hit rock bottom to find religon does not really say anything about religion itself but about the people who needed it to get better. I'm not saying it's a bad thing people use religion to stabilize their lives, it's just that if god really wanted people to turn themselves over to him, why would he allow someone who clearly denies his existence to crawl out from the depths of despair to a good life? Isn't that just reinforcing my notion that god is not neccessary?

Why would he allow someone who denies his existence to crawl out of the depths? Because he doesn't want people to suffer, because he's a loving God perhaps? It reinforces that notion that God is not necessary to be good, which I agree with as a statement. If your only goal is to live this life then truly God is not necessary. I find my belief in God useful and productive to adding to this life, but there are plenty of people that use religion to abuse others to counter that. I try and live this life, because that's all I get, for me God is not necessary, but I can't deny my perception of his influence. I deem it rational, experiential and logical, for me it's as real as the color blue is to you. I find it unnecessary, but a boon to believe in God, regardless of His provability. I don't know what happens after this life, but I believe there is something after it. I don't know that I require salvation, but I desire it, and that necessitates a forgiver, ie. God
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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AW yes.... Gods love - by bbrettle - May 24, 2011 at 2:17 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by tackattack - May 24, 2011 at 6:40 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by reverendjeremiah - May 24, 2011 at 6:13 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Cinjin - May 25, 2011 at 12:58 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 24, 2011 at 7:29 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by bbrettle - May 24, 2011 at 12:26 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 24, 2011 at 4:20 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Doubting Thomas - May 24, 2011 at 12:49 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Minimalist - May 24, 2011 at 1:28 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Minimalist - May 24, 2011 at 5:06 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Minimalist - May 24, 2011 at 7:39 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by tackattack - May 24, 2011 at 8:58 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Minimalist - May 24, 2011 at 9:06 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by tackattack - May 24, 2011 at 9:19 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by bbrettle - May 24, 2011 at 10:23 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 25, 2011 at 2:17 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Cinjin - May 25, 2011 at 2:43 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 25, 2011 at 7:48 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by tackattack - May 25, 2011 at 2:20 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Cinjin - May 25, 2011 at 2:27 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by tackattack - May 25, 2011 at 2:42 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by tackattack - May 25, 2011 at 2:52 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by bbrettle - May 25, 2011 at 3:20 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 25, 2011 at 11:01 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Faith No More - May 25, 2011 at 5:34 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by tackattack - May 25, 2011 at 9:29 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Faith No More - May 25, 2011 at 10:16 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by bbrettle - May 25, 2011 at 12:48 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 25, 2011 at 2:35 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by bbrettle - May 25, 2011 at 5:10 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 25, 2011 at 5:39 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Cinjin - May 26, 2011 at 12:19 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 26, 2011 at 12:44 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Zen Badger - May 29, 2011 at 5:55 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 29, 2011 at 12:41 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Zen Badger - May 30, 2011 at 7:19 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 30, 2011 at 3:28 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Napoléon - May 30, 2011 at 4:42 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 31, 2011 at 8:43 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Napoléon - May 31, 2011 at 9:37 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 31, 2011 at 1:03 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Faith No More - May 31, 2011 at 3:35 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 31, 2011 at 6:44 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Faith No More - May 31, 2011 at 6:50 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 31, 2011 at 7:01 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Faith No More - May 31, 2011 at 8:02 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by bbrettle - May 25, 2011 at 9:16 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 26, 2011 at 12:03 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Minimalist - May 26, 2011 at 12:09 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by bbrettle - May 26, 2011 at 2:36 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 26, 2011 at 3:22 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by bbrettle - May 26, 2011 at 3:51 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 26, 2011 at 5:27 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Minimalist - May 28, 2011 at 7:29 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by bbrettle - May 26, 2011 at 7:08 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 26, 2011 at 7:34 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by DoktorZ - May 28, 2011 at 7:10 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 28, 2011 at 7:30 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by DoktorZ - May 28, 2011 at 7:56 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Timothy - May 28, 2011 at 8:29 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by DoktorZ - May 29, 2011 at 6:10 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Minimalist - May 28, 2011 at 8:45 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Napoléon - May 29, 2011 at 6:10 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by KichigaiNeko - May 30, 2011 at 10:49 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Minimalist - May 30, 2011 at 3:51 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by bbrettle - May 30, 2011 at 8:59 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Minimalist - May 30, 2011 at 9:50 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Emanuel - June 1, 2011 at 11:07 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Napoléon - June 2, 2011 at 11:28 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Cinjin - June 6, 2011 at 10:16 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Minimalist - June 2, 2011 at 11:53 am
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by bbrettle - June 6, 2011 at 12:48 pm
RE: AW yes.... Gods love - by Napoléon - June 6, 2011 at 12:51 pm

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