(April 14, 2009 at 3:41 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: There is no proof of God's existence, and I don't believe there can be, if you take the Christin Bible as your guide. It is one of the things we can know about the nature of God. God HAS to be a choice, therefore THERE CAN BE no certainty. This is an example of non empirical evidence (in this case reasoning to the negative). A rational supposition from accepted (Biblical) observations.
No, it is NOT an example of evidence at all and if you clam it is then you are back exactly where I have accused you of being, at the point of claiming that no evidence equates to evidence for your god. As requested in the other thread I would like to know what evidence you have for the existence of your god and if no evidence is what we should expect then how do you differentiate between your (Christian) claim and that of other non-Christian religions past & present? IOW there are other people in this world who believe they're (non-Christian) god/s is/are real ... are they and, if not, why does your god deserve any more credence than theirs?
(April 14, 2009 at 3:41 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I dismiss personal witness of miracles and the like as superstition. I've known personally some reliable people who say that they've witnessed 'muscles grow'. I'm with the scientists who cry foul.
Excellent ...
(April 14, 2009 at 3:41 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Non empirical evidence is the type easily dismissed. As mentioned above, recorded observations of the nature of God collected in the Christian Bible. Other non empirical evidence is experience directly, as Christianity is after all, about the direct communication with God.
... and then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid that (in essence) says that the recorded observations of your god in the Christian bible are true. What about the recorded observations of the gods of other religions in their holy scriptures?
(April 14, 2009 at 3:41 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Non Again, I dismiss 'feelings' and 'chance' for the same reasons as above. A Christian has to consider very carefully what could possibly be of God and what couldn't. Christians are also required to check their experience against the Bible and with other Christians to see that what they are experiencing etc can actually be consistent with the nature of God.
Yeah, yeah you're testing your beliefs a.k.a. confirming them as per usual.
(April 14, 2009 at 3:41 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Non You said that theoretically God couldn't exist. Richard Dawkins has said that it isn't possible to know absolutely (to paraphrase). He states (accurately IMO) that it would be highly unlikely & so it would be reasonable to hold the belief that there was no supernatural god. I entirely support this statement. That's all I was saying.
It is not possible to rule out the existence of any claimed god however, such claims are extraordinary not only because no currently accepted explanation requests or requires the action of deity, not only does such an explanation require a degree of fit with currently accepted explanations but because the acceptance of such an explanation as valid would fuck up every explanation we had and would destroy all forms of rational investigation including science.
(April 14, 2009 at 3:41 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Non Why one particular God and not every other god/ deity/ fantasy figure? I was raised in an atheist household. I have always been very curious about religion and spirituality. I have seriously considered many beliefs outside the one I currently accept. Like I said, I considered all possibilities and rejected those which made no sense. The Christian God made more and more sense, and I reached a point where I could rationally accept it to be the absolute truth for me. That isn't to say that I dismiss other spiritual influence. I think it's responsible to consider everything (besides the obviously ridiculous) and there's lots to be learned.
So your explanation is broadly speaking because you think it's the best one? That's it? That's fucking it? Well fuck me backwards with a fire hydrant!
Kyu
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