(September 27, 2016 at 12:44 pm)Minimalist Wrote: But no one is telling us to live our lives according to Pythagoras' teachings or we won't get into fucking heaven, Danny. Likewise, and even more importantly, vicious gangs of Pythagoras' followers are not polluting the landscape trying to push their primitive beliefs into our schools and laws and collecting obscene amounts of money from gullible fools.
Well, had their sect not died off they would be.
(September 27, 2016 at 7:41 pm)Firefighter01 Wrote: Let me put it another way. You seem to be a lot more Christian than atheist in your views. So which parts do you think are historically reliable?
That's only because you're twisting everything I'm saying. Christians, for example, believe that Jesus performed actual supernatural miracles - he turned water into wine, cured people of disease, walked on water, raised Lazarus from the dead, etc. Jesus did perform healings and exorcisms. Atheists are sceptical as to whether those things really cured people of their problems, Christians think that of course he did.
Paul doesn't ever make any claim to have ever healed anyone, even though doing so would have enhanced his missionary work, and yet you still seem to have something against his historicity so please explain what it is? Again I put it to you that you do not know what you are talking about, and are just making assumptions based on "logic".
(September 27, 2016 at 7:41 pm)Firefighter01 Wrote: You forget that we are taking about the supposed creator of the universe beamed down in flesh as his own son.
That's not at all what we're talking about.
(September 27, 2016 at 7:41 pm)Firefighter01 Wrote: What a crock of shit! I have studied primary and other types of evidence, there ya go pre-supposing again! You aren't entitled to simply invent your own facts in the same way that Fundies do either.
Your arguments are no different to that of YEC's and "Fundamentalists". No different. You are deliberately ignoring the facts presented by historians, and the conclusions they've drawn from them. How is that any more intelligible than Fundamentalism?
(September 27, 2016 at 7:41 pm)Firefighter01 Wrote: You need to get some skeptical glasses on and ignore your ridiculous indoctrinated beliefs.
What "indoctrinated beliefs" am I putting forward? Name them. All I have presented in this thread is the majority views of critical scholars. Identify what I've presented in this thread that is "indoctrinated" and is not a view shared by majority opinion by historians?
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke